Kanji Dictionary, which one is better?

RockLee · Oct 21, 2005, 04:49

I'm going to buy a kanji-dictionary soon, but I would like some advice on which one is better and user-friendly.

In class we used the dictionaries from Nelson and Kodansha.

Nelson :

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...52752?v=glance

This dictionary is from '97 and has more technical kanji

Kodansha :

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...52752?v=glance

This dictionary is from '99

I think it's more user-friendly and even shows how to write kanji.
Personally I'm thinking of getting the Kodansha dictionary, but on the other hand, the Nelson has more information and for translating more technical texts it might be better.But then, I'm no translator so I think the Kodansha would do.

What do you think is best? What are your opinions on both dictionaries?
Any better ones on the market ?

edit:

Just found this one, also from Kodansha and it's from 2002

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

Alma · Oct 21, 2005, 05:24

when i was buying, everybody recommended this last one, kodansha's (other choice was this nelson). so i bought it. haven't use it so much, but so far, i am very satisfied

RockLee · Oct 23, 2005, 00:37

*bump*

Hmm, I guess I'm going to get me that one too.

dc_johnson45 · Oct 23, 2005, 02:53

If you are just starting with Kanji, get the Kodansha Learner's Dictionary (the last one on your list is the latest edition). Its a great little dict. with lots of info crammed into it. Something you can carry around too, as its not real big.

Only thing its missing IMHO is a stroke count index.

RockLee · Oct 23, 2005, 03:28

Originally Posted by dc_johnson45

If you are just starting with Kanji, get the Kodansha Learner's Dictionary (the last one on your list is the latest edition). Its a great little dict. with lots of info crammed into it. Something you can carry around too, as its not real big.

Only thing its missing IMHO is a stroke count index.

That's why I don't want that pocket ****, I need a good dictionary with all the options

The 'deluxe' version has everything, so I think I'm gonna go with that one

Kaminari · Oct 23, 2005, 07:39

I have two Kanji dictionaries - the first is comprehensive: NTC's new Japanese-English Character Dictionary, Editor in Chief: Jack Halpern, ISBN 0-8442-8434-3.
The second is Tuttle Language Library, Kanji and Kana: Revised edition, Wolfgang Hadamitzky and Mark Spahn, ISBN 0-8048-2077-5. It is a basic book giving a limited number of examples for each of the Jouyou Kanji. However, it does have a VERY useful stroke count index, which makes it possible to track the meaning of an unknown character, or one for which furigana shows a kun reading, simply by counting the number of strokes that are used in its formation.
(I have noticed though, that the two dictionaries do not always agree on the stroke count, and yes, often I need to do recounts before I can find the character I want.)
In my opinion, both these dictionaries are essential, and complement each other well.

dc_johnson45 · Oct 25, 2005, 09:27

Originally Posted by RockLee

That's why I don't want that pocket ****, I need a good dictionary with all the options The 'deluxe' version has everything, so I think I'm gonna go with that one

Well, the Learning Dictionary does have its own lookup system, and a very good radical index.

Its not as useful as some of the large dictionaries, but on the flip side its very portable. I think its a worthy purchase, esp for your first dictionary. Remember, its geared towards learning and not a 3 inch thick comprehensive tome.

warakawa · May 21, 2006, 05:16

for learning any particular kanji, it's stroke order, it's traditional and simified chinese count part. use NTC
for compound kanji: use nelsonw
for portability: use a denshijisho

Oct 21, 2005, 04:49	#1
RockLee Hullu Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Location: Espoo Age: 26 Posts: 3,084	Kanji Dictionary, which one is better? I'm going to buy a kanji-dictionary soon, but I would like some advice on which one is better and user-friendly. In class we used the dictionaries from Nelson and Kodansha. Nelson : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...52752?v=glance This dictionary is from '97 and has more technical kanji Kodansha : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...52752?v=glance This dictionary is from '99 I think it's more user-friendly and even shows how to write kanji. Personally I'm thinking of getting the Kodansha dictionary, but on the other hand, the Nelson has more information and for translating more technical texts it might be better.But then, I'm no translator so I think the Kodansha would do. What do you think is best? What are your opinions on both dictionaries? Any better ones on the market ? edit: Just found this one, also from Kodansha and it's from 2002 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books __________________ ~ Parempi hullu kuin tylsä - Better crazy than boring ~ http://www.fin-style.be/blog -> My Blog about Finland and other random thingies.

Oct 23, 2005, 03:28	#5
RockLee Hullu Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Location: Espoo Age: 26 Posts: 3,084	Originally Posted by dc_johnson45 If you are just starting with Kanji, get the Kodansha Learner's Dictionary (the last one on your list is the latest edition). Its a great little dict. with lots of info crammed into it. Something you can carry around too, as its not real big. Only thing its missing IMHO is a stroke count index. That's why I don't want that pocket ****, I need a good dictionary with all the options The 'deluxe' version has everything, so I think I'm gonna go with that one

Oct 25, 2005, 09:27	#7
dc_johnson45 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 1, 2005 Posts: 47	Originally Posted by RockLee That's why I don't want that pocket ***, I need a good dictionary with all the options The 'deluxe' version has everything, so I think I'm gonna go with that one Well, the Learning Dictionary does have its own lookup system, and a very good radical index. Its not as useful as some of the large dictionaries, but on the flip side its very portable. I think its a worthy purchase, esp for your first dictionary. Remember, its geared towards learning* and not a 3 inch thick comprehensive tome.

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dc_johnson45 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 1, 2005 Posts: 47	If you are just starting with Kanji, get the Kodansha Learner's Dictionary (the last one on your list is the latest edition). Its a great little dict. with lots of info crammed into it. Something you can carry around too, as its not real big. Only thing its missing IMHO is a stroke count index.

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Kaminari Regular Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2005 Posts: 55	I have two Kanji dictionaries - the first is comprehensive: NTC's new Japanese-English Character Dictionary, Editor in Chief: Jack Halpern, ISBN 0-8442-8434-3. The second is Tuttle Language Library, Kanji and Kana: Revised edition, Wolfgang Hadamitzky and Mark Spahn, ISBN 0-8048-2077-5. It is a basic book giving a limited number of examples for each of the Jouyou Kanji. However, it does have a VERY useful stroke count index, which makes it possible to track the meaning of an unknown character, or one for which furigana shows a kun reading, simply by counting the number of strokes that are used in its formation. (I have noticed though, that the two dictionaries do not always agree on the stroke count, and yes, often I need to do recounts before I can find the character I want.) In my opinion, both these dictionaries are essential, and complement each other well.

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warakawa Regular Member Join Date: May 19, 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 199	for learning any particular kanji, it's stroke order, it's traditional and simified chinese count part. use NTC for compound kanji: use nelsonw for portability: use a denshijisho