NTT DOCOMO and it's new discrimantion policy

moyashi · Apr 17, 2002, 17:48

I got this from my favorite "Gaijin" Rights activist in Japan!

Subject: NTT DoCoMo and its misguided "foreigner tariff"

Hello all. Just something I finished typing up--a website on NTT DoCoMo's
new policy of forcing foreigners to pay 30,000 yen deposits on cellphones.

debito.org .... the community for more on this.

I would post the whole email but ... I'm not sure how Debito would say.

In my honest opinion NTT is way worse than M$ and is the Devil of Asia.
Now, I have one more reason to hate this company

I don't have to pay this fee since 1.) I use direct debit and 2.) I have permanent residency but still this is whole hearted BullSheet.

Hmmm ... with iMode starting up in Europe ... will non-residents have to go through the same thing?

thomas · Apr 17, 2002, 21:23

I've read about that on ISSHO (Tony Laszlo's organization). Well, yes, it IS discriminatory, no doubt about that. On the other hand, if they really have such an abundance of fraud cases with non-Japanese involved, I can understand their financial concerns.

In Europe such policies would contravene constitutional regulations, apart from international or supranational non-discrimination agreements such as the UN and the European Declarations of Human Rights, brabrabra....

Now back to earth, the point is as long as you have a registered domicile in a European country providers do not care where you come from. Tariffs are of course the same for everyone!

I really don't know a lot about NTT and their policies...

Tachi · Apr 21, 2002, 12:59

Well, for what it's worth, the phone companies in the US are equally hated by all, too. Lousy service, for high prices.

But this is interesting. I had a cell phone while in Japan - it wasn't an NTT DoCoMo phone, but I forget what the carrier name was. I didn't have to pay any unusual premiums at that time. In fact, cell phones were dramatically more expensive in the US than in Japan, at that time (up to 1999).

Can someone tell me what ISSHO is?

Thanks.
Regards,
Tachi

moyashi · Apr 21, 2002, 17:50

wasn't ISSHO a mailing list through usenet ??

Apparently it's the boys in blue taking advanatage of NTT.

But interestingly enough there is no mention of underground activities!!!
aka yakuza

I have a few friends ... some ahhem EX if you know what I mean.
There was a racket going on that you buy a phone for $200 and use it for a whole month to call anywhere even the North pole. Then you just dump it at an out of the way garbage can or renew it ;)

I dated a cute Japanese girl who mentioned she owed $1800 for 2 months of usage.

Now, with many foreignors from certain locations with their ties to the mob, triad, the Russian mafia, and the yakuza ... it makes you wonder who NTT is really targeting.

thomas · Apr 21, 2002, 21:06

Their entry in our directory:

ISSHO Kikaku
Non-profit organization formed by Tokyo-based foreign nationals which uses performing arts projects, symposia and computer networking to facilitate the internationalization process in Japan

=> http://www.japanreference.com/cgi-bin/jump.cgi?ID=944

thomas · Apr 22, 2002, 05:54

Just wanted to add that Debito/Dave's web site is an excellent resource for anyone interested in Japan, not only for those fighting "gaijin discrimination".

That's why Debito.org was selected Website of the Month in April 2001. ;)

Apr 17, 2002, 17:48	#1
moyashi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 15, 2002 Location: SonyLand Age: 40 Posts: 1,566	NTT DOCOMO and it's new discrimantion policy I got this from my favorite "Gaijin" Rights activist in Japan! Subject: NTT DoCoMo and its misguided "foreigner tariff" Hello all. Just something I finished typing up--a website on NTT DoCoMo's new policy of forcing foreigners to pay 30,000 yen deposits on cellphones. debito.org .... the community for more on this. I would post the whole email but ... I'm not sure how Debito would say. In my honest opinion NTT is way worse than M$ and is the Devil of Asia. Now, I have one more reason to hate this company I don't have to pay this fee since 1.) I use direct debit and 2.) I have permanent residency but still this is whole hearted BullSheet. Hmmm ... with iMode starting up in Europe ... will non-residents have to go through the same thing? __________________ crazy gonna crazy

Apr 17, 2002, 21:23	#2
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	I've read about that on ISSHO (Tony Laszlo's organization). Well, yes, it IS discriminatory, no doubt about that. On the other hand, if they really have such an abundance of fraud cases with non-Japanese involved, I can understand their financial concerns. In Europe such policies would contravene constitutional regulations, apart from international or supranational non-discrimination agreements such as the UN and the European Declarations of Human Rights, brabrabra.... Now back to earth, the point is as long as you have a registered domicile in a European country providers do not care where you come from. Tariffs are of course the same for everyone! I really don't know a lot about NTT and their policies... __________________ Remember what the dormouse said, feed your head, feed your head! Last edited by thomas; Apr 21, 2002 at 21:08.

Apr 21, 2002, 21:06	#5
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	ISSHO Their entry in our directory: ISSHO Kikaku Non-profit organization formed by Tokyo-based foreign nationals which uses performing arts projects, symposia and computer networking to facilitate the internationalization process in Japan => http://www.japanreference.com/cgi-bin/jump.cgi?ID=944

Apr 22, 2002, 05:54	#6
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	Debito.org Just wanted to add that Debito/Dave's web site is an excellent resource for anyone interested in Japan, not only for those fighting "gaijin discrimination". That's why Debito.org was selected Website of the Month in April 2001. ;)

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Apr 21, 2002, 12:59	#3
Tachi Junior Member Join Date: Apr 12, 2002 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 63 Posts: 19	Well, for what it's worth, the phone companies in the US are equally hated by all, too. Lousy service, for high prices. But this is interesting. I had a cell phone while in Japan - it wasn't an NTT DoCoMo phone, but I forget what the carrier name was. I didn't have to pay any unusual premiums at that time. In fact, cell phones were dramatically more expensive in the US than in Japan, at that time (up to 1999). Can someone tell me what ISSHO is? Thanks. Regards, Tachi

Apr 21, 2002, 17:50	#4
moyashi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 15, 2002 Location: SonyLand Age: 40 Posts: 1,566	wasn't ISSHO a mailing list through usenet ?? Apparently it's the boys in blue taking advanatage of NTT. But interestingly enough there is no mention of underground activities!!! aka yakuza I have a few friends ... some ahhem EX if you know what I mean. There was a racket going on that you buy a phone for $200 and use it for a whole month to call anywhere even the North pole. Then you just dump it at an out of the way garbage can or renew it ;) I dated a cute Japanese girl who mentioned she owed $1800 for 2 months of usage. Now, with many foreignors from certain locations with their ties to the mob, triad, the Russian mafia, and the yakuza ... it makes you wonder who NTT is really targeting.