Thanks Maciamo

GoldCoinLover · Jan 4, 2006, 05:57

Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese

I ask you this, japan is a great country, but with your posts, it doesn't seem like your having a very good or fun time there. Why do you want to live there?

RockLee · Jan 4, 2006, 09:34

Maybe you will like it in Japan.Not all Japanese are like that, don't go off generalizing and think every Japanese is like this.These are Maciamo's experiences, but other people have different opinions and don't feel the same as Maciamo.You have to experience it before you can give a clear image of how you percept Japanese people.Do you think because you spoke to 3 or 4 Japanese people you know every one of them? If you really do then I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee!

Gaijinian · Jan 4, 2006, 10:16

Maciamo is no longer in Japan, GCL...

Anyway, if I were going to study in Japan (I'm not by the way; I'm going to Taiwan), I would tell everyone that I am German, and speak no English. Then, I'd kindly ask them to speak Japanese.

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 11:34

That could be a problem if they know some German, though.

Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover

Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese

I ask you this, japan is a great country, but with your posts, it doesn't seem like your having a very good or fun time there. Why do you want to live there?

I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in.

Bucko · Jan 4, 2006, 12:15

Just out of curiosity, why has Maciamo gone back to Europe? I had no Internet for about five weeks and have come back to find my favourite poster/(ranter) gone.

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 12:24

http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20844

Gaijinian · Jan 4, 2006, 13:29

Glenn:

That could be a problem if they know some German, though.

Yeah, true... Then I'll say something like 我是中國人・・・我不説德語。再見！

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 13:31

If you could get by with that, then they probably wouldn't try speaking English to you in the first place!

Mike Cash · Jan 4, 2006, 13:49

Originally Posted by Bucko

Just out of curiosity, why has Maciamo gone back to Europe? I had no Internet for about five weeks and have come back to find my favourite poster/(ranter) gone.

That Japan and its people irritated him enough to inspire so many rants should provide you with more than enough info to figure out why he went back to Europe. I spotted it months before it happened, although I didn't think he would actually leave for at least another year. He did well to make it as long as he did; very few people do.

Elizabeth · Jan 4, 2006, 17:23

Originally Posted by Glenn

That could be a problem if they know some German, though.

I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in.

Given that they are all so similar in nature I think this was more a response of general agreement to Maciamo's positions and experiences.

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 17:27

If that's true then why did he say this:

Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover

I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true!

That indicates that there is one particular post he's talking about, not the general sentiment of a multitude of posts.

Elizabeth · Jan 4, 2006, 17:34

Originally Posted by Glenn

If that's true then why did he say this:

That indicates that there is one particular post he's talking about, not the general sentiment of a multitude of posts.

Perhaps just a typo. There's nothing in the rest of it to indicate otherwise. Anyway, Maciamo's musings are so interchangeable the responses don't tend to vary a lot from thread to thread that this 'response' could be moved or not to any or all with little impact.

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 17:35

The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that.

Elizabeth · Jan 4, 2006, 17:38

Originally Posted by Glenn

The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that.

Then try finding where it is that Maciamo has felt wronged and aggrieved as a foreigner and stick it there.

**Glenn** · Jan 4, 2006, 17:42

That's part of the problem. I know he's said it many times, which is why I didn't even bother trying to guess which post in particular GCL was commenting on. That still doesn't mean that GCL didn't have one particular one in mind when he was responding.

Mike Cash · Jan 4, 2006, 17:43

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Then try finding where it is that Maciamo has felt wronged and aggrieved as a foreigner and stick it there.

That would require the butterfly to stop flapping about and light on a particular twig. Which is expecting a bit much, I think.

pipokun · Jan 4, 2006, 19:40

Originally Posted by Gaijinian

Glenn:
Yeah, true... Then I'll say something like 我是中國人・・・我不説德語。再見！

Just speak Japanese, and people reply you back in Japanese.
Or don't forget to bring a pen and paper for your communication in writing when you try to communicate in Taiwanese here. Simplified characters are more difficult for Japanese than traditonal ones.

Elizabeth · Jan 4, 2006, 22:55

Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover

Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese

Have you tried a Japanese restaurant ?

If there are some in Glendale, GCL, with Japanese speaking staff....that may be the safest place to try out the few sentences and phrases in your repertoire.

It's a hard truth to swallow, but basically you aren't going to get a lot of respect here or there until your skills improve and you feel comfortable having a meaningful (read understandable) conversation. I mean last time I was in Japan I had one guy on the train to the airport, obviously full of foreign tourists, who looked uncomfortable sitting across from me until he realized that I could read the paper and order my own food. It's extremely rude and disgraceful (and fortunately, extremely rare) but all the complaining and ranting in the world isn't going to any thing .... the only thing that will is studying hard and seriously.

GoldCoinLover · Jan 5, 2006, 05:44

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

It's a hard truth to swallow, but basically you aren't going to get a lot of respect here or there until your skills improve and you feel comfortable having a meaningful (read understandable) conversation. :

Oh, really? Just because I can't have a long conversation in japanese with someone I'm not going to get respect here? (That is the most bullsh*t I ever heard, it takes a LOT of hard work to do this, and alot of time)

If you mean HERE, then, it takes even more work, because you have to write kanji. This has really pushed me over the edge, elizabeth. And I've lost all my respect for you, entirely.

Fuc* this forum. I'm not coming here again, (This thread wasn't even in fact about my japanese learning, yet you and others somehow like to morph it into it !

)

I'm getting a japanese book (And if no one here is sending me one, I'll buy one) I don't even need this forum.

Sorry, it's just, one too many straws for me. It's obvious, you people hate me. You won't even respect it that I TRY to speak japanese, and since I can't a write a long (written) conversation here, I don't deserve any respect?

GoldCoinLover · Jan 5, 2006, 05:48

Originally Posted by Glenn

The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that.

It was a TYPO.

You know, I write this thread, to thank someone, and I get flamed. Very fun. Oh yeah, it makes me wnat to come back here, again and again and again.

Elizabeth · Jan 5, 2006, 06:04

Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover

Oh, really? Just because I can't have a long conversation in japanese with someone I'm not going to get respect here? (That is the most bullsh*t I ever heard, it takes a LOT of hard work to do this, and alot of time)

If you mean HERE, then, it takes even more work, because you have to write kanji. This has really pushed me over the edge, elizabeth. And I've lost all my respect for you, entirely.

Fuc* this forum. I'm not coming here again, (This thread wasn't even in fact about my japanese learning, yet you and others somehow like to morph it into it ! )

I'm getting a japanese book (And if no one here is sending me one, I'll buy one) I don't even need this forum.

Sorry, it's just, one too many straws for me. It's obvious, you people hate me. You won't even respect it that I TRY to speak japanese, and since I can't a write a long (written) conversation here, I don't deserve any respect?

I actually meant here in the US talking to Japanese people, not by us on this forum. It may be a day late and dollar short -- but I am very sorry if there was any misunderstanding

GoldCoinLover · Jan 5, 2006, 06:09

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I actually meant here in the US talking to Japanese people, not by us on this forum. It may be a day late and dollar short -- but I am very sorry if there was any misunderstanding

No problem. I had a feeling it was a
誤解. I should be able to hold conversations with them better, but at least I try.

Nevertheless, I'm tired of this forum and getting attacked/flamed, etc.

Elizabeth · Jan 5, 2006, 06:20

Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover

No problem. I had a feeling it was a
誤解. I should be able to hold conversations with them better, but at least I try.

Nevertheless, I'm tired of this forum and getting attacked/flamed, etc.

Just ignore them or stick primarily to the language section and gradually fan out -- or up or down -- from there.

I think a lot of the responses you get now are actually based on your past behavior, too. So even if you have changed it takes most of them a little while to notice...

It still isn't any reason to quit

kirei_na_me · Jan 5, 2006, 06:24

Originally Posted by Glenn

I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in.

Can I just say that I agree completely?

That is all.

**Mycernius** · Jan 5, 2006, 06:42

Wouldn't this had been better as a PM instead of a thread?
GCL you need to calm down and try not to take offence so easily.

Jan 4, 2006, 05:57	#1
GoldCoinLover Returning student Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Age: 21 Posts: 794	Thanks Maciamo Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese I ask you this, japan is a great country, but with your posts, it doesn't seem like your having a very good or fun time there. Why do you want to live there? __________________ 私の趣味は金貨集めです。 I collect gold coins

Jan 4, 2006, 09:34	#2
RockLee Hullu Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Location: Espoo Age: 26 Posts: 3,084	Maybe you will like it in Japan.Not all Japanese are like that, don't go off generalizing and think every Japanese is like this.These are Maciamo's experiences, but other people have different opinions and don't feel the same as Maciamo.You have to experience it before you can give a clear image of how you percept Japanese people.Do you think because you spoke to 3 or 4 Japanese people you know every one of them? If you really do then I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee! __________________ ~ Parempi hullu kuin tylsä - Better crazy than boring ~ http://www.fin-style.be/blog -> My Blog about Finland and other random thingies.

Jan 4, 2006, 10:16	#3
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	Maciamo is no longer in Japan, GCL... Anyway, if I were going to study in Japan (I'm not by the way; I'm going to Taiwan), I would tell everyone that I am German, and speak no English. Then, I'd kindly ask them to speak Japanese. __________________ これからも絶対頑張る～

Jan 4, 2006, 11:34	#4
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	That could be a problem if they know some German, though. Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese I ask you this, japan is a great country, but with your posts, it doesn't seem like your having a very good or fun time there. Why do you want to live there? I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in. __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jan 4, 2006, 13:29	#7
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	Glenn: That could be a problem if they know some German, though. Yeah, true... Then I'll say something like 我是中國人・・・我不説德語。再見！

Jan 4, 2006, 12:15	#5
Bucko Master of the Universe Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: ロンドン Posts: 788	Just out of curiosity, why has Maciamo gone back to Europe? I had no Internet for about five weeks and have come back to find my favourite poster/(ranter) gone.

Jan 4, 2006, 12:24	#6
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20844

Jan 4, 2006, 13:31	#8
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	If you could get by with that, then they probably wouldn't try speaking English to you in the first place!

Jan 4, 2006, 13:49	#9
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Bucko Just out of curiosity, why has Maciamo gone back to Europe? I had no Internet for about five weeks and have come back to find my favourite poster/(ranter) gone. That Japan and its people irritated him enough to inspire so many rants should provide you with more than enough info to figure out why he went back to Europe. I spotted it months before it happened, although I didn't think he would actually leave for at least another year. He did well to make it as long as he did; very few people do. __________________ Kiva: Loans That Change Lives

Jan 4, 2006, 17:23	#10
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by Glenn That could be a problem if they know some German, though. I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in. Given that they are all so similar in nature I think this was more a response of general agreement to Maciamo's positions and experiences. __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Jan 4, 2006, 17:27	#11
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	If that's true then why did he say this: Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! That indicates that there is one particular post he's talking about, not the general sentiment of a multitude of posts.

Jan 4, 2006, 17:34	#12
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by Glenn If that's true then why did he say this: That indicates that there is one particular post he's talking about, not the general sentiment of a multitude of posts. Perhaps just a typo. There's nothing in the rest of it to indicate otherwise. Anyway, Maciamo's musings are so interchangeable the responses don't tend to vary a lot from thread to thread that this 'response' could be moved or not to any or all with little impact.

Jan 4, 2006, 17:35	#13
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that.

Jan 4, 2006, 17:38	#14
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by Glenn The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that. Then try finding where it is that Maciamo has felt wronged and aggrieved as a foreigner and stick it there.

Jan 4, 2006, 17:42	#15
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	That's part of the problem. I know he's said it many times, which is why I didn't even bother trying to guess which post in particular GCL was commenting on. That still doesn't mean that GCL didn't have one particular one in mind when he was responding.

Jan 4, 2006, 17:43	#16
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Elizabeth Then try finding where it is that Maciamo has felt wronged and aggrieved as a foreigner and stick it there. That would require the butterfly to stop flapping about and light on a particular twig. Which is expecting a bit much, I think.

Jan 4, 2006, 19:40	#17
pipokun Regular Member Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Posts: 2,499	Originally Posted by Gaijinian Glenn: Yeah, true... Then I'll say something like 我是中國人・・・我不説德語。再見！ Just speak Japanese, and people reply you back in Japanese. Or don't forget to bring a pen and paper for your communication in writing when you try to communicate in Taiwanese here. Simplified characters are more difficult for Japanese than traditonal ones.

Jan 4, 2006, 22:55	#18
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover Maciamo, i just wanted to say, good job! I LOVE your post, especially about predjuce agianst foreigners, its so true! Of the few ive spoken to in america, who know no english, they are the same to me. Even when I try to speak in japanese Have you tried a Japanese restaurant ? If there are some in Glendale, GCL, with Japanese speaking staff....that may be the safest place to try out the few sentences and phrases in your repertoire. It's a hard truth to swallow, but basically you aren't going to get a lot of respect here or there until your skills improve and you feel comfortable having a meaningful (read understandable) conversation. I mean last time I was in Japan I had one guy on the train to the airport, obviously full of foreign tourists, who looked uncomfortable sitting across from me until he realized that I could read the paper and order my own food. It's extremely rude and disgraceful (and fortunately, extremely rare) but all the complaining and ranting in the world isn't going to any thing .... the only thing that will is studying hard and seriously.

Jan 5, 2006, 05:44	#19
GoldCoinLover Returning student Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Age: 21 Posts: 794	Originally Posted by Elizabeth It's a hard truth to swallow, but basically you aren't going to get a lot of respect here or there until your skills improve and you feel comfortable having a meaningful (read understandable) conversation. : Oh, really? Just because I can't have a long conversation in japanese with someone I'm not going to get respect here? (That is the most bullsht I ever heard, it takes a LOT of hard work to do this, and alot of time) If you mean HERE, then, it takes even more work, because you have to write kanji. This has really pushed me over the edge, elizabeth. And I've lost all my respect for you, entirely. Fuc this forum. I'm not coming here again, (This thread wasn't even in fact about my japanese learning, yet you and others somehow like to morph it into it ! ) I'm getting a japanese book (And if no one here is sending me one, I'll buy one) I don't even need this forum. Sorry, it's just, one too many straws for me. It's obvious, you people hate me. You won't even respect it that I TRY to speak japanese, and since I can't a write a long (written) conversation here, I don't deserve any respect?

Jan 5, 2006, 05:48	#20
GoldCoinLover Returning student Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Age: 21 Posts: 794	Originally Posted by Glenn The same typo twice? I doubt it. I find it consistent enough to show that he had a particular post in mind when he wrote that. It was a TYPO. You know, I write this thread, to thank someone, and I get flamed. Very fun. Oh yeah, it makes me wnat to come back here, again and again and again.

Jan 5, 2006, 06:04	#21
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover Oh, really? Just because I can't have a long conversation in japanese with someone I'm not going to get respect here? (That is the most bullsht I ever heard, it takes a LOT of hard work to do this, and alot of time) If you mean HERE, then, it takes even more work, because you have to write kanji. This has really pushed me over the edge, elizabeth. And I've lost all my respect for you, entirely. Fuc this forum. I'm not coming here again, (This thread wasn't even in fact about my japanese learning, yet you and others somehow like to morph it into it ! ) I'm getting a japanese book (And if no one here is sending me one, I'll buy one) I don't even need this forum. Sorry, it's just, one too many straws for me. It's obvious, you people hate me. You won't even respect it that I TRY to speak japanese, and since I can't a write a long (written) conversation here, I don't deserve any respect? I actually meant here in the US talking to Japanese people, not by us on this forum. It may be a day late and dollar short -- but I am very sorry if there was any misunderstanding

Jan 5, 2006, 06:09	#22
GoldCoinLover Returning student Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Age: 21 Posts: 794	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I actually meant here in the US talking to Japanese people, not by us on this forum. It may be a day late and dollar short -- but I am very sorry if there was any misunderstanding No problem. I had a feeling it was a 誤解. I should be able to hold conversations with them better, but at least I try. Nevertheless, I'm tired of this forum and getting attacked/flamed, etc.

Jan 5, 2006, 06:20	#23
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Originally Posted by GoldCoinLover No problem. I had a feeling it was a 誤解. I should be able to hold conversations with them better, but at least I try. Nevertheless, I'm tired of this forum and getting attacked/flamed, etc. Just ignore them or stick primarily to the language section and gradually fan out -- or up or down -- from there. I think a lot of the responses you get now are actually based on your past behavior, too. So even if you have changed it takes most of them a little while to notice... It still isn't any reason to quit

Jan 5, 2006, 06:24	#24
kirei_na_me Where I'm Supposed to Be Join Date: Jan 31, 2003 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 3,922	Originally Posted by Glenn I don't see why this wasn't posted in the thread you're talking about. That's usually how forums work -- you respond to a post by posting in the thread it's in. Can I just say that I agree completely? That is all. __________________ *i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)*

Jan 5, 2006, 06:42	#25
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,227 Blog Entries: 2	Wouldn't this had been better as a PM instead of a thread? GCL you need to calm down and try not to take offence so easily. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

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