Oh no

Kirby Phelps (PK) · Apr 18, 2006, 09:46

My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist. But I heard that it's impossible. My dreams are crushed.

Ewok85 · Apr 18, 2006, 10:29

At least you realised early on

Theres plenty of other things you can do fortunatly, anything in particular tickle your fancy?

Mike Cash · Apr 18, 2006, 16:08

Originally Posted by Kirby Phelps (PK)

My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist. But I heard that it's impossible. My dreams are crushed.

If you're going to have dreams you give up on so easily, there isn't much point in having them to begin with.

Kara_Nari · Apr 18, 2006, 17:32

Who said its impossible? Sure maybe if you are a really terrible artist, it might be a slight disadvantage.
You dont even need to be literate to learn a language.
Im with Mike Cash on his comment.
IF it is your real dream, do something about it. You're definately not too old to start.

Mike Cash · Apr 18, 2006, 19:17

P.S. to the original poster.....

I hope I didn't sound like a judgmental hardass (I am a judgmental hardass, so it would be understandable if I sounded like one).

I just want to point out that while the job I do in Japan was never my dream, it is one that a great many people assumed it was impossible for a foreigner to do. If I managed to do it without even the ambition of a dream behind it, just imagine what you can accomplish with action backed up by ambition and motivation.

**Dutch Baka** · Apr 20, 2006, 04:45

To the original poster... Please provide us with some more information, than this 1 sentence... what you expect us to say with only this few information???

Never give up dreaming, you only just have to work hard for it! seeing you are only 14, you still have a whole live infront of you, so why give up now?

yukio_michael · Apr 21, 2006, 04:48

Originally Posted by Kirby Phelps (PK)

My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist.

You want to do the second part of this sentence first, then work on the first...---

Maybe you wont even like Japan, or you won't find learning the language to be as fullfilling as you thought, but it's no reason not to give up before you start.

From the way you phrase your question it sounds like the biggest part of your dream is the ending, and the Japanese and living in Japan part are just a means to this end... if you're good at your art, you can still enjoy that where you are & where you are at in life, right now.

cyberryo · Apr 29, 2006, 09:37

I agree with yukio too. Your one sentence has 3 goals. Go Japan; Learn Japanese; Be a Manga Artist. They seemed to be listed to be achieved in sequence but should they also be listed in terms of priority and importance? At 14 years old, I am sure that you still have many many possibilities in front of you. Wish I were 14 years old now with all the hope and opportunities!

Mikawa Ossan · Apr 29, 2006, 09:46

Few things in life are truly impossible.

But many are difficult.

If you are serious, you should start two things TODAY:
1) a Japanese class
2) practice drawing

If you are TRULY dedicated to your dream, you WILL be able to achieve it. Just remember that it's a very very steep slope in front of you.

Mike Cash · Apr 29, 2006, 11:03

Has anyone else noticed the OP's post count?

cyberryo · Apr 29, 2006, 14:44

Yes, I have noticed earlier too. That's why I limited further comments myself until he provides more information. No point dragging this post with more replies until there is a clear need.

Mike Cash · Apr 29, 2006, 15:17

He seems to have been a drive-by poster. I don't think we'll see him again.

yukio_michael · Apr 30, 2006, 01:45

I'm touched however that he shared his darkest moment with us.

dreamer · Apr 30, 2006, 05:27

Dear Kirby Phelps, be aware that this kind of thing isn't impossible.
I have friends who are drawing for japanese anime-related magazines, but they have a very good level. You just have to adapt to their style and maybe as everyone stated start to learn japanese ^^
Remember that talent doesn't know any frontier. If your work is good enough, it'll even break through the language and culture barrier.
Anyway good luck in your futur

Hanneesh · Apr 30, 2006, 06:01

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

P.S. to the original poster.....

I hope I didn't sound like a judgmental hardass (I am a judgmental hardass, so it would be understandable if I sounded like one).

I just want to point out that while the job I do in Japan was never my dream, it is one that a great many people assumed it was impossible for a foreigner to do. If I managed to do it without even the ambition of a dream behind it, just imagine what you can accomplish with action backed up by ambition and motivation.

yes you do come across that way some times. Did you apologize by yourself or were you prompted to do it? you still havn't apologized to me but you made me laugh so i forgive you. Wow a few more posts and you're an emporer or whatever the rank is. How do you feel? How much time do you spend on this thing?

as for the other guy, yeah go achieve your dreams yadayadayada...
i don't really see how it's impossible. It might be difficult but it's not impossible. And like the other person said it does help if you're a good drawer. practise like-forever as well. I've got a mate who is a phenominal drawer and i never see him without a pen in his hand. I have a load of his drawings. Now all i have to do is kill him and get rich! see. always thinking.

Mike Cash · Apr 30, 2006, 10:04

Originally Posted by Hanneesh

yes you do come across that way some times. Did you apologize by yourself or were you prompted to do it? you still havn't apologized to me but you made me laugh so i forgive you.

I didn't apologize to the OP; I clarified. And it was of my own volition.

I wasn't aware that I had said or done anything for which I owed you an apology. Since I have a personal policy of almost never apologizing on the internet, you needn't expect one to be forthcoming regardless. It is, however, very gracious of you to forgive me anyway and I appreciate it.

Wow a few more posts and you're an emporer or whatever the rank is. How do you feel?

Embarassed.

How much time do you spend on this thing?

Entirely too much. I have no life, you see.

**Mars Man** · Apr 30, 2006, 21:49

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

Entirely too much. I have no life, you see.

Awh....now come on Mike...you're being modest.

Mike Cash · May 1, 2006, 03:10

No, I'm being candid.

Gaijinian · May 1, 2006, 05:19

Well, Hanneesh. If you click on the name, you'll see you have more than twice as many posts per day compared to Mike Cash.

Hanneesh · May 1, 2006, 06:05

Originally Posted by Gaijinian

Well, Hanneesh. If you click on the name, you'll see you have more than twice as many posts per day compared to Mike Cash.

If you think it through you'll have considered the possibility that i don't post anything for about a week and then blast out about twenty in one day.

Hey! i know you! you speak japanese don't you. I'm learning japanese. Can you test me and stuff?

RockLee · May 1, 2006, 06:11

Ohhh, I love how threads go off-topic in no time...Stick to the topic people...Stick to the topic. *big sigh*

**Dutch Baka** · May 1, 2006, 06:23

Originally Posted by RockLee

Ohhh, I love how threads go off-topic in no time...Stick to the topic people...Stick to the topic. *big sigh*

Some people just LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE to go off topic, just to make someone else look bad in public who is right and wrong etc. aaaa

funny that there IS posted in this thread, because it has no meaning!

Gaijinian · May 1, 2006, 06:47

What does it matter if we get off topic; the original poster is not comming back, anyway...

Hanneesh, you know me?... If my name is "Gaijinian" to you, then you don't exactly know me. But sure, I can test you.

もしかして、Hanneeshさんに対して、私の名前は「ガイジニアン」だったら、私の事、知っているとあまり言えないでしょうね・・・。

Hanneesh · May 1, 2006, 06:47

Originally Posted by Dutch Baka

Some people just LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE to go off topic, just to make someone else look bad in public who is right and wrong etc. aaaa
funny that there IS posted in this thread, because it has no meaning!

Hmmm. Just stating the fact that the posts have gone off topic means you yourself have gone off the topic. Sometimes it's quite funny to see a petty argument in the middle of a thread - but i don't see one here - sometimes it's irritating, depending on whether the thread has adressed an interesting issue particularly well from different points of view or not.

This one died ages ago, back when the cash master said the OP would probably never return so i think i can excuse a slight drift. Judge ye not less ye be judged!

Dutch Baka, you need to BE a bit baker- i think you mean LUUUUUUUV and not LOVEEEEEEEEE. i mean that just dont make sense. And THAT is padanticity.

**Mycernius** · May 1, 2006, 17:53

Originally Posted by Hanneesh

Dutch Baka, you need to BE a bit baker- i think you mean LUUUUUUUV and not LOVEEEEEEEEE. i mean that just dont make sense. And THAT is padanticity.

No, this is being PEDANTIC. One, spell the root word, Pedantic, right. Next, use it in a form, not made up. It should be "That is pedantism". Finally, how well do you know Dutch slang and word forms?
Oh, and BTW, i, is supposed to be capitalised when used ie: I think, not i think

@Rocklee: This could be renamed the Pedants thread

Apr 18, 2006, 09:46	#1
Kirby Phelps (PK) Junior Member Join Date: Apr 18, 2006 Age: 17 Posts: 8	Oh no My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist. But I heard that it's impossible. My dreams are crushed.

Apr 18, 2006, 10:29	#2
Ewok85 Cute and Furry Join Date: Nov 14, 2003 Location: Saitama/Tokyo Age: 24 Posts: 2,343	At least you realised early on Theres plenty of other things you can do fortunatly, anything in particular tickle your fancy? __________________ Leon - http://www.leonjp.com Expat Japan! - http://forums.expatjapan.net 半ばは自己の幸せを、半ばは他人の幸せを

Apr 18, 2006, 16:08	#3
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Kirby Phelps (PK) My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist. But I heard that it's impossible. My dreams are crushed. If you're going to have dreams you give up on so easily, there isn't much point in having them to begin with. __________________ Kiva: Loans That Change Lives

Apr 18, 2006, 17:32	#4
Kara_Nari Angel of Life Join Date: May 13, 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea Age: 28 Posts: 667	Who said its impossible? Sure maybe if you are a really terrible artist, it might be a slight disadvantage. You dont even need to be literate to learn a language. Im with Mike Cash on his comment. IF it is your real dream, do something about it. You're definately not too old to start. __________________ Kara-Nari Smarty-Pants Wiz-Girl of the Southern Pacific Queen of Communication and International Arbitration and Diplomatic Solutions to Hairy Territorial Issues Her Majesty the Empress ｺｸﾈ・ you quite rightly deserve the title for your individuality !

Apr 20, 2006, 04:45	#6
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,744 Blog Entries: 12	To the original poster... Please provide us with some more information, than this 1 sentence... what you expect us to say with only this few information??? Never give up dreaming, you only just have to work hard for it! seeing you are only 14, you still have a whole live infront of you, so why give up now? __________________ My website: Kobe city info and my PM Forum Rules - J-Music Forum Rules - FAQ - Calendar Write an article for Jref - Reputation points

Apr 18, 2006, 19:17	#5
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	P.S. to the original poster..... I hope I didn't sound like a judgmental hardass (I am a judgmental hardass, so it would be understandable if I sounded like one). I just want to point out that while the job I do in Japan was never my dream, it is one that a great many people assumed it was impossible for a foreigner to do. If I managed to do it without even the ambition of a dream behind it, just imagine what you can accomplish with action backed up by ambition and motivation.

Apr 21, 2006, 04:48	#7
yukio_michael Koyaniskatsi Join Date: Mar 8, 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Penn. Age: 38 Posts: 1,990	Originally Posted by Kirby Phelps (PK) My dream is to move to Japan, learn Japanese, and become a manga artist. You want to do the second part of this sentence first, then work on the first...--- Maybe you wont even like Japan, or you won't find learning the language to be as fullfilling as you thought, but it's no reason not to give up before you start. From the way you phrase your question it sounds like the biggest part of your dream is the ending, and the Japanese and living in Japan part are just a means to this end... if you're good at your art, you can still enjoy that where you are & where you are at in life, right now. __________________ (flickr: pgh, japan & korea, santa cruz ) (blog: eyesonthewires) (j-rock) Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. -Eric Hoffer.

Apr 29, 2006, 09:37	#8
cyberryo Regular Member Join Date: Dec 15, 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 88	I agree with yukio too. Your one sentence has 3 goals. Go Japan; Learn Japanese; Be a Manga Artist. They seemed to be listed to be achieved in sequence but should they also be listed in terms of priority and importance? At 14 years old, I am sure that you still have many many possibilities in front of you. Wish I were 14 years old now with all the hope and opportunities! __________________ Precision Stamping Swiss Screw Machining \| Business Consultancy and Market Research \| IC chips design and manufacture from China

Apr 29, 2006, 09:46	#9
Mikawa Ossan 一寸先は光 Join Date: Sep 17, 2005 Location: 中西部 Posts: 3,520 Blog Entries: 51	Few things in life are truly impossible. But many are difficult. If you are serious, you should start two things TODAY: 1) a Japanese class 2) practice drawing If you are TRULY dedicated to your dream, you WILL be able to achieve it. Just remember that it's a very very steep slope in front of you. __________________ Chukyo Dai Chukyo bansai!!!!

Apr 29, 2006, 11:03	#10
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Has anyone else noticed the OP's post count?

Apr 29, 2006, 14:44	#11
cyberryo Regular Member Join Date: Dec 15, 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 88	Yes, I have noticed earlier too. That's why I limited further comments myself until he provides more information. No point dragging this post with more replies until there is a clear need.

Apr 29, 2006, 15:17	#12
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	He seems to have been a drive-by poster. I don't think we'll see him again.

Apr 30, 2006, 01:45	#13
yukio_michael Koyaniskatsi Join Date: Mar 8, 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Penn. Age: 38 Posts: 1,990	I'm touched however that he shared his darkest moment with us.

Apr 30, 2006, 05:27	#14
dreamer Traveler of eternity Join Date: Aug 15, 2003 Location: Tokyo/Asakusa Age: 26 Posts: 1,825	Dear Kirby Phelps, be aware that this kind of thing isn't impossible. I have friends who are drawing for japanese anime-related magazines, but they have a very good level. You just have to adapt to their style and maybe as everyone stated start to learn japanese ^^ Remember that talent doesn't know any frontier. If your work is good enough, it'll even break through the language and culture barrier. Anyway good luck in your futur __________________ One of the most adventurous things left for us is to go to bed. For no one can lay a hand on our dreams....

Apr 30, 2006, 06:01	#15
Hanneesh Banned Join Date: Apr 22, 2006 Location: Manchester Age: 20 Posts: 56	Originally Posted by Mike Cash P.S. to the original poster..... I hope I didn't sound like a judgmental hardass (I am a judgmental hardass, so it would be understandable if I sounded like one). I just want to point out that while the job I do in Japan was never my dream, it is one that a great many people assumed it was impossible for a foreigner to do. If I managed to do it without even the ambition of a dream behind it, just imagine what you can accomplish with action backed up by ambition and motivation. yes you do come across that way some times. Did you apologize by yourself or were you prompted to do it? you still havn't apologized to me but you made me laugh so i forgive you. Wow a few more posts and you're an emporer or whatever the rank is. How do you feel? How much time do you spend on this thing? as for the other guy, yeah go achieve your dreams yadayadayada... i don't really see how it's impossible. It might be difficult but it's not impossible. And like the other person said it does help if you're a good drawer. practise like-forever as well. I've got a mate who is a phenominal drawer and i never see him without a pen in his hand. I have a load of his drawings. Now all i have to do is kill him and get rich! see. always thinking.

Apr 30, 2006, 10:04	#16
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Hanneesh yes you do come across that way some times. Did you apologize by yourself or were you prompted to do it? you still havn't apologized to me but you made me laugh so i forgive you. I didn't apologize to the OP; I clarified. And it was of my own volition. I wasn't aware that I had said or done anything for which I owed you an apology. Since I have a personal policy of almost never apologizing on the internet, you needn't expect one to be forthcoming regardless. It is, however, very gracious of you to forgive me anyway and I appreciate it. Wow a few more posts and you're an emporer or whatever the rank is. How do you feel? Embarassed. How much time do you spend on this thing? Entirely too much. I have no life, you see.

Apr 30, 2006, 21:49	#17
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by Mike Cash Entirely too much. I have no life, you see. Awh....now come on Mike...you're being modest.

May 1, 2006, 03:10	#18
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	No, I'm being candid.

May 1, 2006, 05:19	#19
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	Well, Hanneesh. If you click on the name, you'll see you have more than twice as many posts per day compared to Mike Cash. __________________ これからも絶対頑張る～

May 1, 2006, 06:05	#20
Hanneesh Banned Join Date: Apr 22, 2006 Location: Manchester Age: 20 Posts: 56	Originally Posted by Gaijinian Well, Hanneesh. If you click on the name, you'll see you have more than twice as many posts per day compared to Mike Cash. If you think it through you'll have considered the possibility that i don't post anything for about a week and then blast out about twenty in one day. Hey! i know you! you speak japanese don't you. I'm learning japanese. Can you test me and stuff?

May 1, 2006, 06:11	#21
RockLee Hullu Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Location: Espoo Age: 26 Posts: 3,084	Ohhh, I love how threads go off-topic in no time...Stick to the topic people...Stick to the topic. big sigh __________________ ~ Parempi hullu kuin tylsä - Better crazy than boring ~ http://www.fin-style.be/blog -> My Blog about Finland and other random thingies.

May 1, 2006, 06:23	#22
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,744 Blog Entries: 12	Originally Posted by RockLee Ohhh, I love how threads go off-topic in no time...Stick to the topic people...Stick to the topic. big sigh Some people just LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE to go off topic, just to make someone else look bad in public who is right and wrong etc. aaaa funny that there IS posted in this thread, because it has no meaning!

May 1, 2006, 06:47	#23
Gaijinian Regular Member Join Date: Jun 3, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 466	What does it matter if we get off topic; the original poster is not comming back, anyway... Hanneesh, you know me?... If my name is "Gaijinian" to you, then you don't exactly know me. But sure, I can test you. もしかして、Hanneeshさんに対して、私の名前は「ガイジニアン」だったら、私の事、知っているとあまり言えないでしょうね・・・。

May 1, 2006, 06:47	#24
Hanneesh Banned Join Date: Apr 22, 2006 Location: Manchester Age: 20 Posts: 56	Originally Posted by Dutch Baka Some people just LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE to go off topic, just to make someone else look bad in public who is right and wrong etc. aaaa funny that there IS posted in this thread, because it has no meaning! Hmmm. Just stating the fact that the posts have gone off topic means you yourself have gone off the topic. Sometimes it's quite funny to see a petty argument in the middle of a thread - but i don't see one here - sometimes it's irritating, depending on whether the thread has adressed an interesting issue particularly well from different points of view or not. This one died ages ago, back when the cash master said the OP would probably never return so i think i can excuse a slight drift. Judge ye not less ye be judged! Dutch Baka, you need to BE a bit baker- i think you mean LUUUUUUUV and not LOVEEEEEEEEE. i mean that just dont make sense. And THAT is padanticity.

May 1, 2006, 17:53	#25
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,228 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Hanneesh Dutch Baka, you need to BE a bit baker- i think you mean LUUUUUUUV and not LOVEEEEEEEEE. i mean that just dont make sense. And THAT is padanticity. No, this is being PEDANTIC. One, spell the root word, Pedantic, right. Next, use it in a form, not made up. It should be "That is pedantism". Finally, how well do you know Dutch slang and word forms? Oh, and BTW, i, is supposed to be capitalised when used ie: I think, not i think @Rocklee: This could be renamed the Pedants thread __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

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