The Church Of Scientology - in review

Thunderthief · Jun 7, 2006, 08:03

A Look At The Church Of Scientology

The Creator And Facts:

Scientology is a religion created by world renouned pedophile, child molester and science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. (March 11. 1911 to January 24th 1986). Known both for his novels and the fact he was busted various time by federal agents for cruising alone on yotts with large groups of young boys.

The church itself has roughly 500,000 followers worldwide beside there claims of 8-9 million.

The Belief System:

Scientology believes that some several billion years ago a Galactic Federation Of Planets ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu were becoming over populated. The Evil Lord Xenu ordered his imperial alien army to freeze aliens from all over the galaxy and throw them into the volcano here on earth, particularly in Hawaii.
This was done in space cruiser which vastly resembled 747's, just they flew in space... and not the air.

Xenu's Space Cruiser as depicted by L. Ron Hubbard

Xenu's Space Cruisers dropped all of the aliens into a volcano in Hawaii in which they mealted and floated all over earth entering the bodies of cave men, animals, stones and such as well making them sad, miserable and creating all the sadness and problems in the world that we have today. Oh, but Xenu brainwashed them before doing this.

What is the goal of scientology?:

Scientology is a well known pay to worship religion, although I am trying to keep this overview fair and balanced I will not dive into this issue. Scientology's goal is to enlighten people in a hippy like way and become one with there feelings, emotions and so on similar to hippies only richer and slightly more technical subjecting potential worshipers to electronic stress and personality tests.

Who follows Scientology?

Scientology is an emerging religion becoming popular amonst rich people, such as Tom Cruise, John Trevolta, Issac Hayes and many other people from Hollywood and the richer sides of society, as they feel better than others following an odd, impossible to believe religion that makes absolutely no sense.

Anyone interested in this new and fasinating religion can check it out at:

http://www.scientology.org/

Rich303 · Jun 7, 2006, 18:28

Bloody hell ! I knew L. Ron Hubbard was a freak, but I didn't know he was a kiddy fiddler. Nonce.
I've never really liked Scientology (or a lot of religions for that matter), and what's Issac Hayes playing at? He used to be cool.

My dad bought a book by Hubbard at a local event and the Scientologists wouldn't stop writing and phoning him. More fool him for giving them his details.

IMHO, I don't trust them.

moffeltoff · Jun 7, 2006, 19:08

Scientology isnｴt a religion its a sheme to get to the money of its followers nothing more.....
Itｴs a cult and personally I dont think ,that any of the scientology "offivcials" are either sane oder honest.

Rich303 · Jun 7, 2006, 19:36

Originally Posted by moffeltoff

Scientology isnｴt a religion its a sheme to get to the money of its followers nothing more.....

Very true Moff, but some people treat it like a religion.
It involves an element of 'faith' and suspension of disbelief.

My dad has always been a (somewhat slack) Christian, and he was partially dragged in by Scientology. Some people just need to 'believe' in something.

To some extent, religion has always been used to get money out of people.

moffeltoff · Jun 7, 2006, 20:57

Yeah but seriously joining scientology or most cults in generall is like throwing away your individuality.Iｴm probably more atheist ,than christian although if I had to decide which religion I would have to choose it would be christianity (I like the part about the mercifull god^^),but its just plain stupid to join an organisation or "religion" ,which demands ,that pay them to find your inner self you might as well travel to tibet to join a shaolin monastery or go to ireland and become a monk its cheaper xD

Thunderthief · Jun 8, 2006, 03:23

BTW... The reason he called himself L. Ron Hubbard was because his first name was Linda (im not joking...)

Tsuyoiko · Jun 8, 2006, 18:52

Originally Posted by Thunderthief

science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.

I think this is the key point here - L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer.

**Mycernius** · Jun 9, 2006, 00:16

Originally Posted by Thunderthief

BTW... The reason he called himself L. Ron Hubbard was because his first name was Linda (im not joking...)

I thought his first name was Layfette Ron Hubbard.
My brother has some of his books. Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth collection. Apparently he likes to rant in them, mainly against equality in the sexes and the US government. He was banned from the UK for some years.

Flashjeff · Jun 9, 2006, 18:15

Hell, I thought his first name was "Loser", because that's what he is. To call Scientology a religion would be like calling Big Macs haute cuisine. It's a scam of astronomical porportions with its legions of lemmings out to fleece, swindle and otherwise con naive people out of their money. And it makes you crazy as hell, I mean, just look at what it's done (and still doing) to Tom Cruise. I rest my case!

Twisted · Jun 10, 2006, 06:04

Well, I think it's pretty smart of the man to be able to manipulate and control all those people. As he was a sci-fi writer, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just an experiment on his part. In sci-fi, authors often come up with dilemma's concerning religion, morality and ethics.

rhixs · Jun 10, 2006, 09:22

I am not nor have I ever been a Scientologist (I wouldn't pay for it even if I had the money) but I have worked my way through the entire Dianetics and Scientology printed and publicly published works and found them very useful, containing great wisdom for anyone open enough to receive it. As for all that space stuff from the higher levels ... is that any more <<unreal>> than angels dancing on pinheads or saints and boddhisavas? It's easy to make mockery of metaphor, look at what Bush's politics has done to American english.

Also, just to throw my two cents in, as far as I know L(afayette) Ronald Hubbard never had any interest in boys (or men).

As db sings "Joe the lion, made of iron"

**Dutch Baka** · Jun 10, 2006, 16:36

A guy from my work (ex-work since yesterday) is with the Scientology, and this guy always want to go into a discussion with everybody. I don't know if that is his nature, or if that is because of the Scientology.

One thing I did hear from him about the Scientology last week is that he didn't get sick since he was with them, and he claims that he will not get sick because he is with them. Well the fun part is that he did got sick this week, and needed to have a 4 hour talk with this guy from hi Sciento.Church. and needed to discusse with him about his work, and life, because the fact that he was sick was just CRAZY, and he need to change something in his life!!! maybe even find another job.

EEEE Excuse me, doesn't everbody get sick so now and then, flu, virus, etc. Is this guy nutz that he think he can't get sick because he is with this so called organisation.

I respect a lot of things, and I still respect the Sciento. in some way, but with things like this I think they are Crazy.

ow and how about this; is he really in love, or is it the Sciento?

**Mycernius** · Jun 10, 2006, 18:28

Scientology teaches that most illnesses are caused by an unbalance in the mind. Their little stress tester will tell you how stressed you are, and that causes all diseases. What it really is, is a machine that measures electrical resistance in the body and works much along the same lines as lie detectors, which can be fooled, and modern weight scales, that can give your %bodyfat/water etc. Of course when they ask you questions when holding these tin can your under a mild stress, plus your hands will start to get sweaty, causing more resistance and hey presto, guess what, your stressed. Then they go into they sell. Last time I met once she suffered from the stress when I pointed out her machine does not measure the mind and Hubbard was not the hero sceintologists make out he is. There are two life storeies of Hubbards life, their view and the real truth.

Nothingness · Jun 15, 2006, 04:14

NOTE: THIS HAS DISTURBING IMAGES IN IT! THIS IS NO JOKE!
Here is a informative YTMND about Scientology.

**Glenn** · Jun 15, 2006, 04:16

Merged -- We already have one of these.

Nothingness · Jun 15, 2006, 04:20

Thanks, I used the Search... but I failed.

Domon · Jun 21, 2006, 07:41

Don't forget that Christianity also started out as a secretive cult and has been a major cause of violence throughout history. It is also a pay to worship religion - how many christians give to the collection plate every week and how many give other 'voluntary' donations. I'm not trying to defend scientology i just want to make the point that all religions are as bad as each other

Rich303 · Jun 21, 2006, 19:23

Originally Posted by Domon

It is also a pay to worship religion - how many christians give to the collection plate every week and how many give other 'voluntary' donations.

Indeed, the church owns some of the most valuable property in the UK.

E.G - Aparently they made 19 million pounds selling 99 year leases on garage spaces in west London. I suppose the wages have to come from somewhere...

...I got a record years ago by an American electronic musician called DHS (Dimensional Holophonic Sound), called 'The House of God'
It contains samples from a Christian TV advert calling for the devoted to send
''50 dollars or more'' for the ''beautification of the house of God.''
''If you give at least $50 for God's house, Gods gonna put a miracle in your house''.

Mikawa Ossan · Jun 21, 2006, 19:35

Originally Posted by Rich303

...I got a record years ago by an American electronic musician called DHS (Dimensional Holophonic Sound), called 'The House of God'
It contains samples from a Christian TV advert calling for the devoted to send
''50 dollars or more'' for the ''beautification of the house of God.''
''If you give at least $50 for God's house, Gods gonna put a miracle in your house''.

And here I always thought that the house of God was supposed to be each and every individual person, who just gathered together in community to worship God together.

(In other words, in Christianity buildings and what not are completely beside the point.)

Mike Cash · Jun 21, 2006, 20:00

Originally Posted by Domon

i just want to make the point that all religions are as bad as each other

Yeah, look at all the trouble those darned Amish go around causing.

Mikawa Ossan · Jun 21, 2006, 20:09

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

Yeah, look at all the trouble those darned Amish go around causing.

Well, they don't help the economy very much. What's with this idea of self-reliance?

Mike Cash · Jun 21, 2006, 20:58

Originally Posted by Mikawa Ossan

Well, they don't help the economy very much. What's with this idea of self-reliance?

I have heard that some Christians have even used the money they put in their collection plates to support such vile and despicable activities as this:
http://tinyurl.com/n2qvv

Domon · Jun 21, 2006, 22:48

You need some examples of christians causing violence in the past mike? What about the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Knights Templar but to name a few. Thunderthief mentioned that L. Ron Hubbard is a child abuser but how many priests have abused children and in the past and how many times have the church tried to cover it up.

moffeltoff · Jun 22, 2006, 02:18

Absolutely every religion was used by corrupt leaders in the past not only christianty.The difference between religions and cults is that religions are not 100% of the life of their followers whereas cults form a dangeroud fusion of religious,spiritual life and for instance political life.

Mike Cash · Jun 22, 2006, 04:27

Originally Posted by Domon

You need some examples of christians causing violence in the past mike?

No, I don't need examples of Christians causing violence in the past.

You need help realizing when somebody is yanking your chain and pointing out the folly of making foolish blanket statements?

Jun 7, 2006, 08:03	#1
Thunderthief Life is adventure Join Date: Mar 19, 2006 Location: I live in a chocolate bar Posts: 100	The Church Of Scientology - in review A Look At The Church Of Scientology The Creator And Facts: Scientology is a religion created by world renouned pedophile, child molester and science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. (March 11. 1911 to January 24th 1986). Known both for his novels and the fact he was busted various time by federal agents for cruising alone on yotts with large groups of young boys. The church itself has roughly 500,000 followers worldwide beside there claims of 8-9 million. The Belief System: Scientology believes that some several billion years ago a Galactic Federation Of Planets ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu were becoming over populated. The Evil Lord Xenu ordered his imperial alien army to freeze aliens from all over the galaxy and throw them into the volcano here on earth, particularly in Hawaii. This was done in space cruiser which vastly resembled 747's, just they flew in space... and not the air. Xenu's Space Cruiser as depicted by L. Ron Hubbard Xenu's Space Cruisers dropped all of the aliens into a volcano in Hawaii in which they mealted and floated all over earth entering the bodies of cave men, animals, stones and such as well making them sad, miserable and creating all the sadness and problems in the world that we have today. Oh, but Xenu brainwashed them before doing this. What is the goal of scientology?: Scientology is a well known pay to worship religion, although I am trying to keep this overview fair and balanced I will not dive into this issue. Scientology's goal is to enlighten people in a hippy like way and become one with there feelings, emotions and so on similar to hippies only richer and slightly more technical subjecting potential worshipers to electronic stress and personality tests. Who follows Scientology? Scientology is an emerging religion becoming popular amonst rich people, such as Tom Cruise, John Trevolta, Issac Hayes and many other people from Hollywood and the richer sides of society, as they feel better than others following an odd, impossible to believe religion that makes absolutely no sense. Anyone interested in this new and fasinating religion can check it out at: http://www.scientology.org/

Jun 7, 2006, 18:28	#2
Rich303 Techno Nudger Join Date: Mar 31, 2005 Location: From Kent,just outside London Age: 34 Posts: 400	Bloody hell ! I knew L. Ron Hubbard was a freak, but I didn't know he was a kiddy fiddler. Nonce. I've never really liked Scientology (or a lot of religions for that matter), and what's Issac Hayes playing at? He used to be cool. My dad bought a book by Hubbard at a local event and the Scientologists wouldn't stop writing and phoning him. More fool him for giving them his details. IMHO, I don't trust them. __________________ Vinyl rules!

Jun 7, 2006, 19:08	#3
moffeltoff Azzuro Join Date: Jan 13, 2006 Location: near Frankfurt Posts: 323	Scientology isnｴt a religion its a sheme to get to the money of its followers nothing more..... Itｴs a cult and personally I dont think ,that any of the scientology "offivcials" are either sane oder honest. __________________ Kommunism is like Carneval in Cologne everyone is drunk an no one works...

Jun 7, 2006, 19:36	#4
Rich303 Techno Nudger Join Date: Mar 31, 2005 Location: From Kent,just outside London Age: 34 Posts: 400	Originally Posted by moffeltoff Scientology isnｴt a religion its a sheme to get to the money of its followers nothing more..... Very true Moff, but some people treat it like a religion. It involves an element of 'faith' and suspension of disbelief. My dad has always been a (somewhat slack) Christian, and he was partially dragged in by Scientology. Some people just need to 'believe' in something. To some extent, religion has always been used to get money out of people.

Jun 8, 2006, 18:52	#7
Tsuyoiko DON'T PANIC! Join Date: Mar 11, 2005 Location: In my cerebral cortex Age: 34 Posts: 1,598	Originally Posted by Thunderthief science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. I think this is the key point here - L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer. __________________ "Hurrah for the electric speed of thought!" Fyodor Dostoevsky Currently playing: Star Ocean: Second Evolution on PSP Currently reading: War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

Jun 7, 2006, 20:57	#5
moffeltoff Azzuro Join Date: Jan 13, 2006 Location: near Frankfurt Posts: 323	Yeah but seriously joining scientology or most cults in generall is like throwing away your individuality.Iｴm probably more atheist ,than christian although if I had to decide which religion I would have to choose it would be christianity (I like the part about the mercifull god^^),but its just plain stupid to join an organisation or "religion" ,which demands ,that pay them to find your inner self you might as well travel to tibet to join a shaolin monastery or go to ireland and become a monk its cheaper xD

Jun 8, 2006, 03:23	#6
Thunderthief Life is adventure Join Date: Mar 19, 2006 Location: I live in a chocolate bar Posts: 100	BTW... The reason he called himself L. Ron Hubbard was because his first name was Linda (im not joking...)

Jun 9, 2006, 00:16	#8
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,228 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Thunderthief BTW... The reason he called himself L. Ron Hubbard was because his first name was Linda (im not joking...) I thought his first name was Layfette Ron Hubbard. My brother has some of his books. Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth collection. Apparently he likes to rant in them, mainly against equality in the sexes and the US government. He was banned from the UK for some years. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

Jun 9, 2006, 18:15	#9
Flashjeff Pink Lady's Number #1 Fan Join Date: Dec 28, 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 50 Posts: 1,377	Hell, I thought his first name was "Loser", because that's what he is. To call Scientology a religion would be like calling Big Macs haute cuisine. It's a scam of astronomical porportions with its legions of lemmings out to fleece, swindle and otherwise con naive people out of their money. And it makes you crazy as hell, I mean, just look at what it's done (and still doing) to Tom Cruise. I rest my case! __________________ "It's better to try and fail than to never try at all." -Jeffrey C. Branch, crackpot philosopher Interested in old school J-Pop? Please visit my website: Pink Lady: The Website! Many thanks to Ayu-youkou for this mondo cool banner!

Jun 10, 2006, 06:04	#10
Twisted That man in the corner Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: The Netherlands Age: 35 Posts: 1,456	Well, I think it's pretty smart of the man to be able to manipulate and control all those people. As he was a sci-fi writer, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just an experiment on his part. In sci-fi, authors often come up with dilemma's concerning religion, morality and ethics. __________________ ZenLog Earotic

Jun 10, 2006, 09:22	#11
rhixs Dude Join Date: Apr 5, 2006 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 12	I am not nor have I ever been a Scientologist (I wouldn't pay for it even if I had the money) but I have worked my way through the entire Dianetics and Scientology printed and publicly published works and found them very useful, containing great wisdom for anyone open enough to receive it. As for all that space stuff from the higher levels ... is that any more <<unreal>> than angels dancing on pinheads or saints and boddhisavas? It's easy to make mockery of metaphor, look at what Bush's politics has done to American english. Also, just to throw my two cents in, as far as I know L(afayette) Ronald Hubbard never had any interest in boys (or men). As db sings "Joe the lion, made of iron"

Jun 10, 2006, 16:36	#12
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	A guy from my work (ex-work since yesterday) is with the Scientology, and this guy always want to go into a discussion with everybody. I don't know if that is his nature, or if that is because of the Scientology. One thing I did hear from him about the Scientology last week is that he didn't get sick since he was with them, and he claims that he will not get sick because he is with them. Well the fun part is that he did got sick this week, and needed to have a 4 hour talk with this guy from hi Sciento.Church. and needed to discusse with him about his work, and life, because the fact that he was sick was just CRAZY, and he need to change something in his life!!! maybe even find another job. EEEE Excuse me, doesn't everbody get sick so now and then, flu, virus, etc. Is this guy nutz that he think he can't get sick because he is with this so called organisation. I respect a lot of things, and I still respect the Sciento. in some way, but with things like this I think they are Crazy. ow and how about this; is he really in love, or is it the Sciento? __________________ My website: Kobe city info and my PM Forum Rules - J-Music Forum Rules - FAQ - Calendar Write an article for Jref - Reputation points

Jun 10, 2006, 18:28	#13
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,228 Blog Entries: 2	Scientology teaches that most illnesses are caused by an unbalance in the mind. Their little stress tester will tell you how stressed you are, and that causes all diseases. What it really is, is a machine that measures electrical resistance in the body and works much along the same lines as lie detectors, which can be fooled, and modern weight scales, that can give your %bodyfat/water etc. Of course when they ask you questions when holding these tin can your under a mild stress, plus your hands will start to get sweaty, causing more resistance and hey presto, guess what, your stressed. Then they go into they sell. Last time I met once she suffered from the stress when I pointed out her machine does not measure the mind and Hubbard was not the hero sceintologists make out he is. There are two life storeies of Hubbards life, their view and the real truth.

Jun 15, 2006, 04:14	#14
Nothingness and total Randomness!!! Join Date: Mar 12, 2004 Location: The Void... Age: 22 Posts: 1,048	Scientology... NOTE: THIS HAS DISTURBING IMAGES IN IT! THIS IS NO JOKE! Here is a informative YTMND about Scientology. __________________ 無 - Nothingness Scientology

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Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Merged -- We already have one of these. __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jun 15, 2006, 04:20	#16
Nothingness and total Randomness!!! Join Date: Mar 12, 2004 Location: The Void... Age: 22 Posts: 1,048	Thanks, I used the Search... but I failed.

Jun 21, 2006, 07:41	#17
Domon Professional Ninja Join Date: Jun 10, 2006 Location: Third Earth Age: 26 Posts: 41	Don't forget that Christianity also started out as a secretive cult and has been a major cause of violence throughout history. It is also a pay to worship religion - how many christians give to the collection plate every week and how many give other 'voluntary' donations. I'm not trying to defend scientology i just want to make the point that all religions are as bad as each other

Jun 21, 2006, 19:23	#18
Rich303 Techno Nudger Join Date: Mar 31, 2005 Location: From Kent,just outside London Age: 34 Posts: 400	Originally Posted by Domon It is also a pay to worship religion - how many christians give to the collection plate every week and how many give other 'voluntary' donations. Indeed, the church owns some of the most valuable property in the UK. E.G - Aparently they made 19 million pounds selling 99 year leases on garage spaces in west London. I suppose the wages have to come from somewhere... ...I got a record years ago by an American electronic musician called DHS (Dimensional Holophonic Sound), called 'The House of God' It contains samples from a Christian TV advert calling for the devoted to send ''50 dollars or more'' for the ''beautification of the house of God.'' ''If you give at least $50 for God's house, Gods gonna put a miracle in your house''.

Jun 21, 2006, 19:35	#19
Mikawa Ossan 一寸先は光 Join Date: Sep 17, 2005 Location: 中西部 Posts: 3,520 Blog Entries: 51	Originally Posted by Rich303 ...I got a record years ago by an American electronic musician called DHS (Dimensional Holophonic Sound), called 'The House of God' It contains samples from a Christian TV advert calling for the devoted to send ''50 dollars or more'' for the ''beautification of the house of God.'' ''If you give at least $50 for God's house, Gods gonna put a miracle in your house''. And here I always thought that the house of God was supposed to be each and every individual person, who just gathered together in community to worship God together. (In other words, in Christianity buildings and what not are completely beside the point.) __________________ Chukyo Dai Chukyo bansai!!!!

Jun 21, 2006, 20:00	#20
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Domon i just want to make the point that all religions are as bad as each other Yeah, look at all the trouble those darned Amish go around causing. __________________ Kiva: Loans That Change Lives

Jun 21, 2006, 20:09	#21
Mikawa Ossan 一寸先は光 Join Date: Sep 17, 2005 Location: 中西部 Posts: 3,520 Blog Entries: 51	Originally Posted by Mike Cash Yeah, look at all the trouble those darned Amish go around causing. Well, they don't help the economy very much. What's with this idea of self-reliance?

Jun 21, 2006, 20:58	#22
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Mikawa Ossan Well, they don't help the economy very much. What's with this idea of self-reliance? I have heard that some Christians have even used the money they put in their collection plates to support such vile and despicable activities as this: http://tinyurl.com/n2qvv

Jun 21, 2006, 22:48	#23
Domon Professional Ninja Join Date: Jun 10, 2006 Location: Third Earth Age: 26 Posts: 41	You need some examples of christians causing violence in the past mike? What about the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Knights Templar but to name a few. Thunderthief mentioned that L. Ron Hubbard is a child abuser but how many priests have abused children and in the past and how many times have the church tried to cover it up.

Jun 22, 2006, 02:18	#24
moffeltoff Azzuro Join Date: Jan 13, 2006 Location: near Frankfurt Posts: 323	Absolutely every religion was used by corrupt leaders in the past not only christianty.The difference between religions and cults is that religions are not 100% of the life of their followers whereas cults form a dangeroud fusion of religious,spiritual life and for instance political life.

Jun 22, 2006, 04:27	#25
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Domon You need some examples of christians causing violence in the past mike? No, I don't need examples of Christians causing violence in the past. You need help realizing when somebody is yanking your chain and pointing out the folly of making foolish blanket statements?

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