442nd Regimental Combat Team and Brazilian Workers

[jonathancameron]

I see a strong paralell between the 442nd RCT and the Brazillian workers in Hamamatsu Shizuoka. Many of them Nissei or Sansei Nikkeijin are not nationals of Japan, and are given work that the nationals will be unwilling to do. Often they do the 3 K jobs without complaint. Their work ethic has been seen as impeccable and thus, I feel that they should have the motto "Go for Broke" on their work uniform and to wear the red bull.

I want to go to Shizuoka and sell these army surplus relecs and teach the Nikkeijin of how the 442nd RCT and their plight have similarities. The Brazilian Nikkeijin are treated also like French Forieign Legion, like the US had 442nd RCT were the American Foreign Legion, whom upon showing their ability military success being the most decorated battalion, a.k.a. purple heart battalion, were recognized as true US citizens by the Rosevelt Administration which said that they fought two wars.

I want to teach the Espirt de Corps of the 442nd RCT to the Brazillian Nikkeijin migrant workers. How can I start such a business there?

[jonathancameron]

Perhaps they should have SEMPER FI written on their grave markers and posthumously be recognized as US Marines. I mentioned this on www.leatherneck.com

[KirinMan]

Originally Posted by jonathancameron

Perhaps they should have SEMPER FI written on their grave markers and posthumously be recognized as US Marines. I mentioned this on www.leatherneck.com

Emphatically NO. They weren't Marines, oh and there is no comparison either to the Foreign Legion. I see that you are unfamiliar with the history of the American men in the 442nd.

You dishonor them by suggesting anything otherwise. Oh and I am a former Marine.

I want to go to Shizuoka and sell these army surplus relecs and teach the Nikkeijin of how the 442nd RCT and their plight have similarities

Go. It would be great comedy to see their reaction to you. Don't let anyone here stop you, you might actually learn something too. I doubt it though.

You know some of these posts of yours have the makings of a pretty good book or TV program about anti-social behavior or comedy,

I just can't decide which yet, because they seem to be one and the same.

[jonathancameron]

Really Obeika, you were a marine, Huuh! You were the Few and the Proud, eh? I will be applying to be a marine in Okinawa one day, to become a translator. You seen Nikkeijin working the bases there? Were you an officer or a enlisted man? I do know one thing. As a 2nd lieutanat, I must learn to listen and learn from the sergeants. Have you seen any combat as a marine? Was your MOS 0300? Or were you combat support? I have done my research, the okinawa base is the III Marines. Seen any Nikkei marines in Okinawa?

SEMPER FI

[KirinMan]

You need to learn to get that "chip" off your shoulder if you plan to make it in the Marine's.

For the life of me I can not understand what motivates you so much about the Nikkeijin.

[jonathancameron]

what chip would that be, corporal? What were you? and E-4? I know that with a university degree, I would be commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant, and you will be saluting to me saying, yes sir, aye aye sir. That will include E-9 veterans who seen combat, who did numbers of tours of duty but with less than a BA.

[KirinMan]

Originally Posted by jonathancameron

what chip would that be, corporal? What were you? and E-4? I know that with a university degree, I would be commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant, and you will be saluting to me saying, yes sir, aye aye sir. That will include E-9 veterans who seen combat, who did numbers of tours of duty but with less than a BA.

If you don't know then I can't help you, I have my degree and btw I salute noone and it isn't as easy as you may think to get a commision, whether or not you read, write or speak Japanese.

Also btw all enlisted members of the armed services salute officers no matter if they have a BA, combat duty, or otherwise. Oh and the salute is given out of respect to the rank, not the person wearing it.

The only exception to that would be by tradition members who have earned the Medal of Honor.

[jonathancameron]

Originally Posted by Obeika

If you don't know then I can't help you, I have my degree and btw I salute noone and it isn't as easy as you may think to get a commision, whether or not you read, write or speak Japanese.
Also btw all enlisted members of the armed services salute officers no matter if they have a BA, combat duty, or otherwise. Oh and the salute is given out of respect to the rank, not the person wearing it.
The only exception to that would be by tradition members who have earned the Medal of Honor.

Ooorah! I love the crisp uniform of dress of the class A's. Have you seen the silent drill team? Pretty impressive. You know, I think the Sergeant Major, the E-9's or the Master Gunnery Sergeant (E-9's) who have "seen combat" and joined up as 0300 and been on many of tours of active duty need not salute to a pretty boy like myself just because I wrote some cute kanji letters. Even better is the old sergeants who've seen much action and have gained a battlefield commission, even if that is a commission of that of a limited duty officer (LDO). People such as Colonel Hackworth should have been a Marine, and not just a solider. As people become Marines, not just join the Marines, or just become soldiers. I would have a hard time if I had to saluting had I been a veterans of several tours and was a E-9 grunt, and some pretty boy with a BA went to Officer Candidate School and Officer Basic Course, and then gained a commission as a Platoon Commander.
Obeika, what rank were you? Were you an enlisted man? I have seriously considered it and am not fooling around. If you are truly an ex-marine, you would know that I have done some studies on this. I even learned that even with 15 credits, you start your pay as E-2.
Obeika, as you can see, I am NOT playing around.

Obeika, have you actually seen combat? Have you engaged in exchange of fire? I wonder why the Marines don't have like the army the Combat's Infantryman's Badge for 30 days on continuous engagement? The Marines only have a Combat Action Badge.

SEMPER FI

[jonathancameron]

Originally Posted by jonathancameron

Ooorah! I love the crisp uniform of dress of the class A's. Have you seen the silent drill team? Pretty impressive. You know, I think the Sergeant Major, the E-9's or the Master Gunnery Sergeant (E-9's) who have "seen combat" and joined up as 0300 and been on many of tours of active duty need not salute to a pretty boy like myself just because I wrote some cute kanji letters. Even better is the old sergeants who've seen much action and have gained a battlefield commission, even if that is a commission of that of a limited duty officer (LDO). People such as Colonel Hackworth should have been a Marine, and not just a solider. As people become Marines, not just join the Marines, or just become soldiers. I would have a hard time if I had to saluting had I been a veterans of several tours and was a E-9 grunt, and some pretty boy with a BA went to Officer Candidate School and Officer Basic Course, and then gained a commission as a Platoon Commander.
Obeika, what rank were you? Were you an enlisted man? I have seriously considered it and am not fooling around. If you are truly an ex-marine, you would know that I have done some studies on this. I even learned that even with 15 credits, you start your pay as E-2.
Obeika, as you can see, I am NOT playing around.
Obeika, have you actually seen combat? Have you engaged in exchange of fire? I wonder why the Marines don't have like the army the Combat's Infantryman's Badge for 30 days on continuous engagement? The Marines only have a Combat Action Badge.
SEMPER FI

By the way, I watched Iwo Jima. But wasn't Ken Watanabe in life a Japanese American? And the guy whom he was playing as an actor, being a cadet of westpoint suggests that in the movie, that Major General (2 stars) was trained by the United States Army. This means that because he was an Issei, he was kicked off California to Japan where he had to fight against his fellow American comrades.

I know the Japanese American Nisseis didnt have to fight Japan, but the Japaese Isseis sent home had to shoot Americans. Imagine fighting in the Battle of Midway, as a Japanese who grew up in the USA, always wondering if you are shooting down your buddies you went to high school with or been friends with back in Hawaii?

The Americans didn't make the Nisseis fight against their own ancestors, but the Japanese didn't give considerations to the repatriates to fight against the country that deported them. Some were told to even fight stronger than ever to free their families from interment camps by defeating the US forces.

I wonder how it was for these Japanese who then returned to their American homeland after WWII, knowing that they shot many Americans, being drafted and without a choice. How about the Japanese Nissei 442nd RCT veterans returning home to the USA with their fellow countrymen being appauled seeing them in US Army uniform? How about their children who were teased in school being told that their father shot their dad, and so on, when in reality, they fought on the same side?

Solider, you think about this. You are a veteran as a Marine. What do you think? Have you fought with a Japanese American in the same uniform as you? I think their bushido spirit would qualify them with the eagle, globe and the anchor. The US Marines vs Imperial Kamikaze type bayonet charges, which would you think were braver? I want your honest answer, as a former marine the WWII Imperial Japanese Army dudes or the Marines? (I wonder if that was just their army, I wonder if they had a Marine equivalent, how frightening they would have been? I know I would rather be an officer so that I am not as much in the line of fire as an enlisted man.)

The weakness of the Japanese was their officer corps. While they were brave, they put their senior staff officers in line of fire more so than the British or the Americans, which screwed up their chain of command. Even some flag officers were willing to play beachhead and hold machine guns and shoot. You will rarely see the English risking themselves that way, as they gained noteriety for leading from the behind.)

Perhaps Obeika, we can meet in person and have coffee the next time I go to Japan and if you are nearby. I am not a bad fellow to get to know.

[Jpstw]

jonathancameron, if i was going to go by what the information you gave me, when it comes to a beachhead and storming up it, i think both act in the same way when it comes down to it lol.

"The US Marines vs Imperial Kamikaze type bayonet charges, which would you think were braver?"

Hmmm, both are pretty hardcore , how would you know? have you been in the situation of US Marines charging up Iwo Jima? Just because you don't see the stereotypical samurai spirit like in movies doesn't mean one or the other is
braver.War is hell in my opinion and i also in my opinion, only the experienced soldiers on both sides know how to act in such circumstances in the end.

"The weakness of the Japanese was their officer corps. While they were brave, they put their senior staff officers in line of fire more so than the British or the Americans, which screwed up their chain of command. Even some flag officers were willing to play beachhead and hold machine guns and shoot. You will rarely see the English risking themselves that way, as they gained notoriety for leading from the behind."---Source please?
please reply.

[KirinMan]

Originally Posted by Jpstw

jonathancameron, if i was going to go by what the information you gave me, when it comes to a beachhead and storming up it, i think both act in the same way when it comes down to it lol.
"The US Marines vs Imperial Kamikaze type bayonet charges, which would you think were braver?"
Hmmm, both are pretty hardcore , how would you know? have you been in the situation of US Marines charging up Iwo Jima? Just because you don't see the stereotypical samurai spirit like in movies doesn't mean one or the other is
braver.War is hell in my opinion and i also in my opinion, only the experienced soldiers on both sides know how to act in such circumstances in the end.
"The weakness of the Japanese was their officer corps. While they were brave, they put their senior staff officers in line of fire more so than the British or the Americans, which screwed up their chain of command. Even some flag officers were willing to play beachhead and hold machine guns and shoot. You will rarely see the English risking themselves that way, as they gained notoriety for leading from the behind."---Source please?
please reply.

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