NSFW - Photos of preteen girls in thongs now big business

[maushan3]

Real WaiWai-like.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0070503f1.html

Damn, how does a mother let her daughter at the age of 12 be in pics that stimulate pervs. What money can do!

Note: I don't if this applies but, NSFW.
Mauricio

[Nall-ohki]

Yeah,

I just got back from Japan, and came across this when I was in Akihabara - was shocking to see it next to the... other, older material... <cough>.

The videos I saw being sold there were girls of like 11 and 9, though - amazing that they are able to get away with selling it.

There's a lot of sides to the coin, but putting pressure or weird energy on children regarding sex often ends very badly for those children. Regardless of what people say about direct harm to these girls, that pressure is definitely there.

[nice gaijin]

This is quite disturbing, while not altogether surprising... That's some pretty warped parenting though.

[Mindbender80]

I am really amazed of this. How can they sell such a thing? Isn't there any form of self-censorship amongs the magazines?

Indeed it reminds me something i would like to discuss about sexuality and childhood in Japan, but i 'll open a new thread for this later...

[nice gaijin]

rule 267 of a free market: if you can make money and get away with it, why aren't you doing it already? morality and self-censorship affect the individual, not the market as a whole. Someone, somewhere out there is guaranteed to be participating in some seedy business if it means profit.

[Goldiegirl]

I can't understand how a mother would encourage and allow her minor daughter to photographed in a way to entice men to view her as a sex object. It's no wonder that we have so many pedophiles. Perhaps Japan is on the way to becoming more like Thailand.

[bakaKanadajin]

I too saw this in Akihabara, it was unsettling because I felt like I'd wandered into a place of illegal activity and suddenly became fearful and left! But after a moment I realized what it was. In my opinioni, its basically child pornography because its sole reason for existence is to create a sexual stimulation for the viewer. Who would watch that and just be like 'yup mmhmm well that was informative thank you'. No, the people who watch that stuff obviously like'em young and they get off on it.

It's not a positive thing for young women to do (pose sexily for photographs) but apparently its not breaking the law. Personally I think 9-12 is way too young clothes or not clothed or whatever, its just way too young. I could maybe understand highschool girls who's bodies resemble that of full grown women, they dress sexy already by themselves. But children, there's nothing there to look at, no curves, whats the point, just seems so wrong.

[marsans]

This is just ridiculous, It dosent boarding child pornography, it is child pornography! Anything that is purposefully done to make the child more sexual is just way out of hand, this trend really disappoints me with how far sexual perverts will go.

[Goldiegirl]

Why are Japanese men so turned on by such young girls? I know that child pornograhpy exits in just about every country, but it seems odd to me that Japanese men are so openly and eagerly ready to be enticed by anything pornographic. Men are more visual, so I can understand looking at pictures of grown women who are sexually mature, but pre-teen girls? What's up with that? I will say that I never saw so many girls/women dressed so provacatively as when I was in Japan, so I don't completely see why they have to resort to pictures so much...

[maushan3]

Originally Posted by nice gaijin

rule 267 of a free market: if you can make money and get away with it, why aren't you doing it already? morality and self-censorship affect the individual, not the market as a whole. Someone, somewhere out there is guaranteed to be participating in some seedy business if it means profit.

I know it is sick, but that is very true. I wouldn't be too sure about that, about the rule, a lot of people follow it, but in many cases it is very unethical, like steraling! It's like, if you are a politician and have the power to steal money from people, why the heck aren't you doing it?. It's not an obvious thing to do, since it is stealing, need I say more?.

But, no one is stealing here, no one is doing 'wrong' things. This business is done with everyone's consent and the girl and her mother were more than willing and happy to do it and nobody got hurt, so, it is be bad because she's being used as a sex object. In a strict sense, no, they aren't doing anything wrong because it is very difficult to determine whether this is child pornography.

Mauricio

[Nall-ohki]

Originally Posted by maushan3

But, no one is stealing here, no one is doing 'wrong' things. This business is done with everyone's consent and the girl and her mother were more than willing and happy to do it and nobody got hurt, so, it is be bad because she's being used as a sex object. In a strict sense, no, they aren't doing anything wrong because it is very difficult to determine whether this is child pornography.

I'm glad to hear that you recognize the complexity of this issue, as too many people jump to snap assumptions.

Sure, I'd prefer not to see this kind of thing go down if these girls are indeed being harmed (of which there is a strong suspicion), but at the same time I'm not sure of what I want to be done about the issue. Government involvement is often over-reactionary and causes other problems. I'm also not convinced completely that such a solution would be the way to handle this.

It's a hard situation, and I don't know what to say about it.

[Goldiegirl]

I don't think this should be so difficult to understand. Underage girls are being photographed in such a way to excite and sexually stimulate men. Girls should be 18 years old (or whatever age is legal for being an adult) to pose for pictures where the only purpose is for sex.

[yukio_michael]

I'd say the lolicon gravure idol market is much safer, and much more respectful to the persons involved, than say the women, just as young being used as prostitutes in Bucharest...

This really isn't a very recent development, it's been going on in Japan for quite some time, though I don't know when the whole lolicon thing started... Certainly, before Japan passed laws there was worse, and I'm sure there stilll is, it's just weakly enforced because it serves the men who write the laws that would outlaw it. That said, don't expect this sort of thing to dissapeare...

I won't go into a big discussion about 'why' lolicon exists... I think it's a much tamer thing than people conceive it to be... I mean, there are far worse things, such as older men paying school girls who engage in enjo kosai... (sex, or time spent for money, gifts, which was initially adopted actually by upper class girls, but then it became a trend moreso for the middle class)...

I'm not going to be an apologist for lolicon, I think it's rather natural for men to have emotional attachments or even what you might call, more in terms of Japanese slang, moe, an appreciation for the beauty of young girls, I think this sort of thing has been going on for oh what, some 10,000 years?

Even Germain Greer seems to be in on the action, but this time with young boys, (always a dicier proposition) with her book The Beautiful Boy.

Again, this is all nothing new. Last, again, not apologizing for Japan's paraphilias (which I will add are not confined strictly to Japan by any means...), but the mores of one culture are always different than another... Especially between the East & the West.

[Dutch Baka]

It's crazy that a mother allows her 12 year old daughter to be photographed in a G-string.

I even wonder why some mothers let their daughter to wear this really short mini-skirts at elementary school...

[SushiShin]

Child porn?? what the 'astroid'?? Damn, never taught that people(mothers) were capable to this things. By the way i read the link on the picture you see the mothers holding a magazine of wich we are speaking of on the astropiccu you see an astrogirl who doesn't look as an astrogirl from astro 12 years she looks older but then again i can only see her astroback

Astroapologizes for my astrowords but im just an astroguy

[KirinMan]

Is it just me.....this girl in the picture sure looks a hell of a lot older than 14. Hell I see literally hundreds of 14 year old girls damn near everyday and I have yet to see one that looks like her.

Then again it could be the makeup or airbrushing. Either way I bet this "Mom" likes the pay check that her daughter's butt brought for her.

Sorry but any "man" that gets turned on by that needs to have his head examined.

That is pretty to me.

[marsans]

Its sad though, that the trend of making girls into older more mature sexual beings is happening everywhere in the world. Its sad when I take my girlfriend to the mall (in America) and I see all these preteen girls dressed up like they were all 20 year olds. Times they are a changing.

[Goldiegirl]

What is crazy is that pre-teens can't acutally "afford" to buy their own clothes, so it must be their parents who are buying their daughters these sexy, provacative outfits! If you don't want your daughter looking like a tramp, then don't buy her those clothes! It's clear that the Japanese mother in this article didn't care that her minor daughter was being used for the sex industry. It just makes me sad.

[marsans]

Originally Posted by Goldiegirl

What is crazy is that pre-teens can't acutally "afford" to buy their own clothes, so it must be their parents who are buying their daughters these sexy, provacative outfits! If you don't want your daughter looking like a tramp, then don't buy her those clothes! It's clear that the Japanese mother in this article didn't care that her minor daughter was being used for the sex industry. It just makes me sad.

Thats very true Goldie, pre-teens never have the money to buy that stuff, and if they do because of allowance or whatever, their parents still tolerate it.

[maushan3]

Originally Posted by Goldiegirl

What is crazy is that pre-teens can't acutally "afford" to buy their own clothes, so it must be their parents who are buying their daughters these sexy, provacative outfits! If you don't want your daughter looking like a tramp, then don't buy her those clothes! It's clear that the Japanese mother in this article didn't care that her minor daughter was being used for the sex industry. It just makes me sad.

These moms just want their daughters to look cool and be with the "in" crowd, something that they might have not been in when they were their age.

Mauricio

[KirinMan]

Originally Posted by maushan3

These moms just want their daughters to look cool and be with the "in" crowd, something that they might have not been in when they were their age.Mauricio

Want them to look cool? What kind of in crowd do you know that dresses up their kids in thongs? I willing to bet the average 12 to 14 year old girl is not going to wear that, many of them are still scared of their own shadow.

Do children possess cleaner bodies than adults? The younger the better.

Maturing is dirty, like menstruation and the growth of body hair. At 18, there's already a sign of aging. It's not like totally incomprehensible as to why some people are attracted to young ones. It only gets problematic because of the possibility of exploitation.

[marsans]

Although there is no full nudity, the scantily clad children are often pictured seductively blowing on the end of a flute or licking an ice cream cone.

That is obviously sexual in nature.

[Goldiegirl]

Diceke you frighten me with your comments. Are you saying that as long as the girls aren't exploited, sex with them or showing them in a sexually stimulating way is exceptable? Does a 12 year old "know" when she is being exploited? I am unsure of how to take your comment.....

[nice gaijin]

With a photo of a developing fetus, I doubt you expect anyone to take you seriously here.

And the troubles of pedophilia do not end with exploitation...