Support for Japanese independence from the american occupation

[ASIAN Hero]

In 1945 american drop 2 nuclear bomb in Japan [ Hiroshima and Nagasaki ] causing over 500.000 Japanese died and over 10 millions other Japanese suffered by radiation effect. The radiation effect victims of the american nukes have to pass their suffering into their next generation even today. Many of their babies born without proper anatomy and many others inherit fatal disease since they were born. After the day of the american nuke into Japan, the american also have placing around 100.000 of their army in Japan even to this day [ mostly in Okinawa and Yokomaha ]. Or on other words the american are occupying Japan because the presence of their army in Japan are not requested by the Japanese government especially the Japanese peoples themselves, just how the american occupy Iraq today.

What worse than what happened in Iraq today is the american also enforcing several laws with the intention to chain Japan, one of those laws the american enforce to Japan since 1947 are not allowing Japan to have military force, making Japan a very-very weak country to any other countries, making the american can easily do whatever they want into Japan and the Japanese. There is JSDF or Japan Special Defense Force but their numbers are very-very small and their weaponry are limited, you can say JSDF are just posers in military uniform. Thanks to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, in April 2007 for the first time in Japan history the Japanese finally able to gain military strength, soon all the american army in Japan will kicked out to where they belong.
The other law the american enforce to Japan since 1947 are not allowing the Japanese to teach patriotism to the Japanese youth. It makes most of the Japanese [ not just the Japanese youth ] in the present have less nationalism, a country with less nationalism are very easily to get conquered by the other countries. Instead of helping to rebuild Japan after the american nuke it, the american also forcing Japan to pay a very big war debt.

The most worse thing the american army did are racial rape that is not only in the past but even in the present
- Over 29.859 Japanese girls racially raped by the american army during their occupation period of seven years in Japan.
- September 1949, a nine month old baby Japanese girl was sexually assaulted by an american soldier.
- September 1955, a 6 year old Japanese girl named Yumiko racially raped then murdered by an american officer in Japan.
- September 1995, a 12 years old Japanese school girl racially gang raped brutally by 3 american in Okinawa.
- June 2003 a 19 year old Japanese girls racially raped by an american marine in Okinawa.
-The latest american incesity in Japan was in July 2007 when a 19 years old american trying to kill 2 Japanese girls in Yokosuka because they deny him when he force them to have sex.
Those information are just a few of the many information that are based on the Japanese own media and Japanese information about the american racial rape over the Japanese girls in Japan. All the link directly come from Japan or from where the victim of those american occupation come from, so it is a reliable source. There also many racial rape attempt that fail the american did to the Japanese girls but we don't think the information are needed so we will not putting the link except if you wish to know about it you can.

There maybe those who will say about what the Japanese did in China such as saying about rape in Nanking, that is just another lie the american made to justify their invasion and incesity into Japan and the Japanese. What funny and pathetic is they were using China as an excuse to justify their invasion and incesity into Japan and the Japanese while those american are not Chinese or the Chinese never ask those american to help China during or to ask those american to occupy Japan.
I'm sure you still remember how the american lied for over almost 20 years about how Iraq having world mass destruct weapon while their true intentions are just to justify their invasion into Iraq that occurred in 2002 ago [ still occurred even today ] because even to this day there is no proof of world mass destruct weapon found in Iraq proving that the american have lied.

Another fact about what the Japanese did in Asia during WW2 :
Japan invade Indonesia in 1941 but the invasion turn as a very benefical things for the Indonesian because before Japan invade Indonesia, Indonesia have been invaded first by Netherland for almost 350 years. Japan invasion into Indonesia giving the Indonesian freedom from the Netherland 350 years invasion in 1945.

Even after the american nuke Japan, the Japanese in Indonesia were not running away from Indonesia but they choose to fight together with the Indonesian to death in order to protect the Indonesian freedom. Because after Netherland kicked out from Indonesia they still launching their 2nd invasion over Indonesia in order to take Indonesia back into their feet. Not only Netherland but a few European countrys such as England, Portugese also invade Indonesia.

The TNI [ Tentara Nasional Indonesia ] or Indonesian National Army that still exist even today were also formed by the Japanese that were born from PETA [ Pembela Tanah Air ]. Japanese are hero for Indonesian based on Indonesian own history book.

For any Asian especially Japanese who love and proud of their homeland, please help the freedom of our homeland by spreading this topic in any other forum you are a member of. Don't let more of us suffering.

Note :
Since I still unable to put link, I will edit this topic to provide it with reliable links directly come from Japan soon after I can put link on posting.

[Mars Man]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas with us, ASIAN Hero san. While some of the conclusions you have reached are more likely incorrect, some are, on the other hand, more likely correct. To what degree your overall pitch is in line with reality, would take a larger investigation, I' sure.

Now, I voted that the American forces should be pulled out of Japan. . . just as I feel they--as only American forces--should be pulled out of every location that they are in. The reason why I voted so, is because, most obviously, that is how I feel.

HOWEVER...to that very same degree, and along the very same lines of reasoning and feeling, I feel that Japan should not have it's own military--as a military force for Japan. (The same would be true of all individual national goverments in the world)

So, the way I reason and feel, is very unrealistic--a matter that will more likely never be materialized. (though I pray that I am wrong on this conclusion) I say (and would have voted in such a way, if there had been that choice) that all military elements should be a single army, that of the United Nations--or something similar. AND...in the same breath, would say there should be no need for the major military organizations and 'infrastucture' and 'tooling' that we find out there. . . but again, my 'say' is most unrealistic--the chances of our bigger brains being able to over come the essence of nature that all animals have, is stuff for science fiction writers.

I most truly hope, therefore, that you can reach into your understanding heart and find the conclusion that nationalism is a destructive force of nature, one that a number of us larger brained animals (the human) have come to conceptualize as being a plague to the equilibrium of chaos and order.

If one accepts the impossibility of humankind's ever being able to reach such a balanced point, then, most unfortunately and ironically enough, one must accept that all that has been, and will be, through the acting out of pure natural gifts (and curses) is just the way it is--neither right nor wrong, good nor bad, but simply carrying various weights of productivness, benefit, or their opposites.

Please do think about it carefully.

[Halewijn]

I've heard from a reliable source (that I can't link here) that the Imperial Japanese Army didn't have weapons at all during WWII.. they used stuffed animals which they handed out to girls throughout Asia! The source also mentioned these girls felt very comforted by these teddybears.

[Uncle Frank]

Let's try not to let emotions go nuts here folks and keep on topic.

Uncle Frank

[EmperorHirohito]

I have one vital question on this subject. If all American troops were to be pulled out of Japan, would the Japanese people who actually live on the islands that make up Japan itself feel that they are completely safe from yet another Nuclear strike on their island by a hostile nation at some point in the future. Or do they really believe that North Korea is not a threat to them at all................

[caster51]

I have one vital question on this subject. If all American troops were to be pulled out of Japan, would the Japanese people who actually live on the islands that make up Japan itself feel that they are completely safe from yet another Nuclear strike on their island by a hostile nation at some point in the future. Or do they really believe that North Korea is not a threat to them at all................

I think no one worry about North-korea.
it is a just excuse.

anyway
Japan is under umbrella of americans nuclear bomd now.
The person who has the umbrella only changes　to the Japanese
The United States doesn't attack North Korea.

[Dutch Baka]

Originally Posted by caster51

I think no one worry about North-korea.
it is a just excuse.

When missles are flying over my country, near my country, knowing it comes from a place like N-Korea.... I would worry, and I am sure enough people worry about that.

Don't you?

[ASIAN Hero]

PM Shinzo Abe right now are working to break the american law of not allowing Japan to teach patriotism to their youth. I'm sure more Japanese will rise in the future after that law gone.

PM Shinzo Abe rules!

[Halewijn]

Originally Posted by Uncle Frank

Let's try not to let emotions go nuts here folks and keep on topic.
Uncle Frank

Well, just look at the way the OP addresses this issue...

[ASIAN Hero]

That person just bitter since we and the Japanese both kicked them out from Indonesia in 1942.

[Mike Cash]

Originally Posted by ASIAN Hero

PM Shinzo Abe right now are working to break the american law of not allowing Japan to teach patriotism to their youth. I'm sure more Japanese will rise in the future after that law gone.

Please cite this "American law" you're talking about.

And please show the courtesy to either capitalize the names of all countries, or none. Your orthography is no accident and your posts are inflammatory enough as it is.

[caster51]

When missles are flying over my country, near my country, knowing it comes from a place like N-Korea.... I would worry, and I am sure enough people worry about that.

Don't you?

indeed ,I hope North Korea launches the missile to Japan......

As a result, if the victim goes out, the most Japanese will realize .....

or i think japan should make such plot intrigue on like 911 or london bombing

[ASIAN Hero]

Originally Posted by caster51

indeed ,I hope North Korea launches the missile to Japan......

As a result, if the victim goes out, the most Japanese will realize .....

or i think japan should make such plot intrigue on like 911 or london bombing

North Korea target developing nuclear weapon are to depend itself from american nuclear treat to avoid what happend to the Japanese to happend to themselves.

[Mike Cash]

Again, please cite the "American law" you are talking about. What is the name of it? A link to it would be really nice.

[Mars Man]

ASIAN Hero san, I charge that you are making a false claim. If I am incorrect, then I strongly suggest that you answer Mike Cash's question. I'm sure you have read it.

I am asking you to be reasonable, honest, and fair in your judgment and assertion and understanding. I am asking you to practice what you have preached, regarding asking others to be just and fair. I look forward to your answer.

[-Rudel-]

Wait wait....wasn't it Japan that agreed to the treaty. They didn't have too.

In some retrospec, I do believe the government of Japan's pass is at blame too for allowing us to occupy their country. They decided to agree to our terms. We didn't force them to agree. They only became scared, or finally realized they were no match with or without bombs.

Why would the American gov't use China for a reason to invade? Wasn't it Japan that attacked American territory first?

I could of sworn Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975. WHY!? Right after it declared independence from Portugal. Pleast tell me why your Country did such a thing. They were also using our U.S. supplied equipment
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB174/1010.pdf.

[ASIAN Hero]

Originally Posted by Mars Man

ASIAN Hero san, I charge that you are making a false claim. If I am incorrect, then I strongly suggest that you answer Mike Cash's question. I'm sure you have read it.

I am asking you to be reasonable, honest, and fair in your judgment and assertion and understanding. I am asking you to practice what you have preached, regarding asking others to be just and fair. I look forward to your answer.

I don't like someone to doubt me, I will answer Mike Cash questions if he agreed when I can prove of what he ask me then he have to put a few of my links in his signature. If I can't then he can ask me the same thing or even leave this forum.

-Rudel- If you want to ask how to cure a sick person then ask a doctor and not an army. That is the same if you want to show an information link, show a source directly come from the victim of those you want to show because only themselves who really know what happend to them. If you can't find any link from them then don't just show any other source, it is worthless.

[Mars Man]

I doubt your statement about American law's not allowing the Japanese government to teach patriotism in its education system. Now, you have stated that as though it were a fact, so you have to show your evidence.

I am asking you to do that in a reasonable, honest, and fair manner. It is nonsense to attempt to tag conditions on the request to present supporting data and evidence on a statement that has been made as a charge against another party in the first place (this being a charge against the American legal system)

I am asking you take action. I would sugguest that you at least attempt to prove youself, and then, by doing so, folks will begin to give you more credit, you see?

[ASIAN Hero]

Originally Posted by Mars Man

I doubt your statement about American law's not allowing the Japanese government to teach patriotism in its education system. Now, you have stated that as though it were a fact, so you have to show your evidence.

I am asking you to do that in a reasonable, honest, and fair manner. It is nonsense to attempt to tag conditions on the request to present supporting data and evidence on a statement that has been made as a charge against another party in the first place (this being a charge against the American legal system)

I am asking you take action. I would sugguest that you at least attempt to prove youself, and then, by doing so, folks will begin to give you more credit, you see?

Are you agreed when I can prove what I said that the Japanese can't teach patriotism to their youth because the american enforce several laws to Japan since 1947 including that law I'm talking about then you have to put my links into your all your internet account?

You know, you should have accept my challenge if you are sure of what you believe in.

[Mars Man]

I will repeat. In fair academical argumentation, a presenter provides the supporting data and evidence for the proposition made. I have challenged you because you have not done so. There are no terms of conditions for providing such, it is simply a matter of practice that it is done.

If you feel, emotionally, that you have to attach conditions to your requirement to back up what you say, it is obvious that something is wrong, somewhere.

Please support your argument.

[ASIAN Hero]

Originally Posted by Mars Man

I will repeat. In fair academical argumentation, a presenter provides the supporting data and evidence for the proposition made. I have challenged you because you have not done so. There are no terms of conditions for providing such, it is simply a matter of practice that it is done.

If you feel, emotionally, that you have to attach conditions to your requirement to back up what you say, it is obvious that something is wrong, somewhere.

Please support your argument.

I also have to repeat I don't like someone who doubt me, just think the condition I give as punishment.

Unless you or Mars Man agreed, then there will be no way I will provide fact to what you two were asking me.

[Mike Cash]

You won't provide it because you can't provide it because it doesn't exist.

What "American law"? And by what mechanism does America enforce it?

[Mars Man]

I understand.

I ask you to understand, in turn, that since you are neither being reasonable, more fully honest, nor fair, that if you do not edit the above post, and take some action to present your supporting data and evidence, that you will be banned by the time the sun has fully set over Japan.

[ASIAN Hero]

I won't provide it since I don't see the members who ask it in here have the courage to face the truth of what they were asking of. If they have courage then they will accept the condition I give them, they don't have that courage since they even have doubt in what they believe.

If you believe in truth then fighting it even to death are not a problem.

If you want to Ban me then do it right now, I'm not one of those peoples who have fear to depend their believes.

[-Rudel-]

Then show us the link. Prove to us JRef members about the law saying we will not allow Japan to teach patriotism.

I highly doubt you were in Japan or Okinawa during WWII so what gives you the right to say I have to post links from victoms that were there. Why don't you ask someone that was there, and not the doctor.

Why did you not answer my questions too? Do you not know your own country's history?

I'll show you my proof typed up by millions of people that are either experts, victoms, military, or gov't that were there or know about it.

History of East Timor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_East_Timor

Proof of Use of U.S. Supplied Equipment
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB174/1010.pdf

Information on the Actual War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indones..._of_East_Timor

Possible Reasons
Why? Because East Timor was ruled by a facist group in Portugal?
That's why Protugal declared independance from them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/

...Fears that an independent East Timor could be used as a base by unfriendly governments or spur other secessionist movements in Indonesia had convinced hardliners in the military to press for annexation of the territory.

Misc Information
http://www.copi.com/articles/etimorus.html

So don't you think East Timorians hate you people and the American gov't? for invading their country? Luckly the UN stepped in.