Serious Discussions forum is BACK!!!

**Dutch Baka** · Nov 14, 2007, 18:13

The forum has been away for a while, or should I say that it had moved to the Eupedia forum.

Anyway we decided to give it a new change on jref, and this time Mars Man will be your friendly moderator in this subforum.

Please keep it friendly, and respect each other even though you disagree with them.

Have fun, and we are looking forward seeing some nice discussions!

**Pachipro** · Nov 15, 2007, 01:21

Thank you Dave. It was a long time coming and needed to be back again!

**Mycernius** · Nov 15, 2007, 01:41

At last.

(making up characters)

ArmandV · Nov 15, 2007, 01:54

This is gonna be interesting!

**Goldiegirl** · Nov 15, 2007, 02:44

Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat?

**Uncle Frank** · Nov 15, 2007, 07:14

Originally Posted by Goldiegirl

Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat?

If you are banging your head on the wall and beating on your keyboard , curseing your fellow JREF forum members for being an idiot, and seeing fellow members being banned for going off the deep end, it probably is a post in the "Serious" Discussions section.

Uncle Frank

**Mars Man** · Nov 15, 2007, 08:47

As has been communicated, I too, am very thankful for this new 'Serious Discussions' sub-forum. THANKS A WHOLE LOT !!!

I also will work hard to keep it in a state where good discussions and debate is carried on, but without letting any topic or debate get out of hand--to the point where statements are close to personal attacks, or overly negative towards a particular poster, rather than simply the argument that poster may be presenting.

Originally Posted by Goldiegirl

Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat?

I would say that the format of the presentation is what can really make the difference between a serious discussion thread and one that would be in Chit Chat & Misc, and would not be about Japan, or Japanese things, per se. There may be some threads that are pretty much borderline too. I did consider moving that thread about the fat tax here, but for the moment have left it there.

If that thread's main theme had been on, for example, 'The Problem of Obesity' with that article as a basic 'case in point,' with an abstract of sorts leading into the presentation, then I, at least, would consider it a 'Serious Discussion' matter. That thread you mention above, does fairly well follow that, but I couldn't convince myself, for whatever reason, to bring it here. Maybe due its narrowness of scope? (related more so to the airline tax matter, or on public transportation)

I look forward to enjoying this area, and I want to express my thanks for the help in filling it out with some of the older things that could fit here !! THANK YOU !!

Nov 15, 2007, 08:58

Originally Posted by Uncle Frank

If you are banging your head on the wall and beating on your keyboard , curseing your fellow JREF forum members for being an idiot, and seeing fellow members being banned for going off the deep end, it probably is a post in the "Serious" Discussions section.

If you are acting like this guy, the thread is for the serious discussions section.

Clawn · Nov 15, 2007, 09:13

I'm grateful this forum was recreated. I look forward to some serious conversations.

Nov 15, 2007, 15:11

If anyone's tossing out this fallacious argument, I would say it's a serious discussion.

Revenant · Nov 18, 2007, 13:25

Hoping to get back some of the former frequent serious-discussion goers. Tsuyoiko, Sabro, and certainly some others that I can't recall now.

**Mars Man** · Nov 18, 2007, 16:22

And of course it is nice, as always, to see you back here with us at JREF, Revenant chan !! (see, I still haven't forgotten that....hee, hee, hee.....) I look forward to your posts, comments, and insight !! Thanks for joining in !! MM

Kinsao · Nov 19, 2007, 22:31

Even if I might not have time to use it much, I'm glad to see the Serious Discussion forum back!

Tsuyoiko · Nov 27, 2007, 21:59

OK, you persuaded me back

Thanks for the heads up Revenant

**Mycernius** · Nov 28, 2007, 02:07

Yeahhhh the lovely Tsuyoiko-chan is back

Kinsao · Nov 28, 2007, 02:10

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! Tsuyoiko!!!!

*pounces*
Good to see you back!

**Uncle Frank** · Nov 28, 2007, 06:33

Watch her pull a rabbit out of her hat! Welcome home hon!

Uncle Frank

:th ankyou:

Skullcrushergurl · Nov 28, 2007, 08:06

Really cool. I like it already. I've posted a lot already. I like the serious forum!
*puts on serious face and goes to post*

**Mars Man** · Nov 29, 2007, 08:56

I agree with the above line of posts !!! Yes, it is indeed nice to have another Martian here on the forum once again !! (that's Tsuyoiko, you know...the girl from Mars) And it is a nice thing to have the serious discussion section up and running.

One thing that I have always loved and taken a certain amount of pride in...if I may boast but just a little...is the ability I have slowly gained over the years, to be serious about serious discussions. That is a mood of discussion that allows for differences, yet argues against them in as waterproof a presentation as possible, all the while keeping emotional outbursts to an extreme little--yet not totally killing emotional play in the argument--such as an argument from absurdity.

Let's enjoy the serious discussion, seriously !!! Mars Man

**Mars Man** · Dec 17, 2007, 11:30

ONE FAVOR here please, to which I hope all would concede. . .

I would like to suggest, since I do reason it best, that greater care be taken, in paragraph making. Long and burdensome with spaces to tight, is hard on the reading, and bad for the sight!

Block style is better than indention format, and organized thoughts shine more clearly in that. Care should be taken, and I hope all agree, that paragraph making is important indeed !!

THANKS FOLKS !!
Mars Man

Chi65 · Dec 19, 2007, 06:44

How do I know, when my thoughts are a "block"?. . .
Do I have to write it all before and think about it for days, how to put into another shape? Mpf- - -

Water flows beyond and over blocks, sometimes

**Mars Man** · Dec 20, 2007, 00:22

Ah but the water does indeed flow over and between the blocks, is absorbed by them, and even to various degrees shaped by them. Nevertheless, they are still blocks, and can be seen by the eye along with the water. For that reason, a number of smaller blocks are better than a single large block. The mountain stream is a great place to play !!

Chi65 · Dec 20, 2007, 03:32

Haha, but water can also shape blocks! Thus is considered to be stronger than rocks, in ancient China etc.
But it would be fun, to sit on such mountain streams with you to discuss or just watch this

.
A bit south Suwa lake, on the western side, there is a fine one with watershaped big rounded stones, that were also used for wonderfull archaic buddha "statues", as far as I could guess in that aerea.
Never mind, just seriously remembering (of course, I know what you mean

)

**Mars Man** · Dec 20, 2007, 15:59

Yes...please do notice that in my post above yours just above, is the following too:
...even to various degrees shaped by them...

Oh...and just this little bit of off-topic here (even though this thread is not so fixed, actually) I have been to that area in Kiso--I live in that prefecture (Nagano). It had been a large rock formation that had been washed out over time, and the rocks now standing are what is left of it. It's a beautiful spot.

Mikawa Ossan · Dec 20, 2007, 18:48

Blocks come naturally to us moderators, because we're all a bunch of blockheads!

Nov 14, 2007, 18:13	#1
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	Serious Discussions forum is BACK!!! The forum has been away for a while, or should I say that it had moved to the Eupedia forum. Anyway we decided to give it a new change on jref, and this time Mars Man will be your friendly moderator in this subforum. Please keep it friendly, and respect each other even though you disagree with them. Have fun, and we are looking forward seeing some nice discussions! __________________ My website: Kobe city info and my PM Forum Rules - J-Music Forum Rules - FAQ - Calendar Write an article for Jref - Reputation points

Nov 15, 2007, 01:21	#2
Pachipro JREF Resident Alien Join Date: Jan 19, 2005 Location: Goodlettsville, Tennessee Age: 54 Posts: 1,630 Blog Entries: 3	Thank you Dave. It was a long time coming and needed to be back again! __________________ Do What You Love And You'll Never Work Another Day In Your Life! KIVA: Give a Hand Up Instead of a Handout

Nov 15, 2007, 01:41	#3
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,228 Blog Entries: 2	At last. (making up characters) __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

Nov 15, 2007, 01:54	#4
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Nov 15, 2007, 02:44	#5
Goldiegirl Sister Earth Join Date: Aug 10, 2006 Location: Old Ashippun, WI Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 12	Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat? __________________ I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. ~Jack Handey

Nov 15, 2007, 07:14	#6
Uncle Frank You SPAM/We BAN ! Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: State of Maine Age: 59 Posts: 6,715	Past History ! Originally Posted by Goldiegirl Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat? If you are banging your head on the wall and beating on your keyboard , curseing your fellow JREF forum members for being an idiot, and seeing fellow members being banned for going off the deep end, it probably is a post in the "Serious" Discussions section. Uncle Frank __________________ TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SUGAR !! I USED TO BE FUNNY, BUT MY WIFE HAD ME NEUTERED!

Nov 15, 2007, 08:47	#7
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	As has been communicated, I too, am very thankful for this new 'Serious Discussions' sub-forum. THANKS A WHOLE LOT !!! I also will work hard to keep it in a state where good discussions and debate is carried on, but without letting any topic or debate get out of hand--to the point where statements are close to personal attacks, or overly negative towards a particular poster, rather than simply the argument that poster may be presenting. Originally Posted by Goldiegirl Ok, what is considered a serious discussion? Are there certain issues or subjects only? I know what I think is serious. For example, would the Fat Tax thread be a serious discussion or is that just chit chat? I would say that the format of the presentation is what can really make the difference between a serious discussion thread and one that would be in Chit Chat & Misc, and would not be about Japan, or Japanese things, per se. There may be some threads that are pretty much borderline too. I did consider moving that thread about the fat tax here, but for the moment have left it there. If that thread's main theme had been on, for example, 'The Problem of Obesity' with that article as a basic 'case in point,' with an abstract of sorts leading into the presentation, then I, at least, would consider it a 'Serious Discussion' matter. That thread you mention above, does fairly well follow that, but I couldn't convince myself, for whatever reason, to bring it here. Maybe due its narrowness of scope? (related more so to the airline tax matter, or on public transportation) I look forward to enjoying this area, and I want to express my thanks for the help in filling it out with some of the older things that could fit here !! THANK YOU !!

Nov 15, 2007, 08:58	#8
diceke Guest Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by Uncle Frank If you are banging your head on the wall and beating on your keyboard , curseing your fellow JREF forum members for being an idiot, and seeing fellow members being banned for going off the deep end, it probably is a post in the "Serious" Discussions section. If you are acting like this guy, the thread is for the serious discussions section.

Nov 15, 2007, 09:13	#9
Clawn The Wise Idiot Join Date: Feb 6, 2005 Location: In the land of twilight under the moon. Posts: 312	I'm grateful this forum was recreated. I look forward to some serious conversations. __________________ I'm Back

Nov 15, 2007, 15:11	#10
diceke Guest Posts: n/a	If anyone's tossing out this fallacious argument, I would say it's a serious discussion.

Nov 18, 2007, 13:25	#11
Revenant Johansson Join Date: Mar 7, 2005 Location: Okayama, Japan Age: 33 Posts: 484	Hoping to get back some of the former frequent serious-discussion goers. Tsuyoiko, Sabro, and certainly some others that I can't recall now. __________________ "The whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, forgiveness." --H.H. the Dalai Lama

Nov 18, 2007, 16:22	#12
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	And of course it is nice, as always, to see you back here with us at JREF, Revenant chan !! (see, I still haven't forgotten that....hee, hee, hee.....) I look forward to your posts, comments, and insight !! Thanks for joining in !! MM

Nov 19, 2007, 22:31	#13
Kinsao Horizon Rider Join Date: May 8, 2005 Location: England Age: 30 Posts: 7,419	Even if I might not have time to use it much, I'm glad to see the Serious Discussion forum back! __________________ K to the core

Nov 27, 2007, 21:59	#14
Tsuyoiko DON'T PANIC! Join Date: Mar 11, 2005 Location: In my cerebral cortex Age: 34 Posts: 1,598	OK, you persuaded me back Thanks for the heads up Revenant __________________ "Hurrah for the electric speed of thought!" Fyodor Dostoevsky Currently playing: Star Ocean: Second Evolution on PSP Currently reading: War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

Nov 28, 2007, 02:07	#15
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,228 Blog Entries: 2	Yeahhhh the lovely Tsuyoiko-chan is back

Nov 28, 2007, 02:10	#16
Kinsao Horizon Rider Join Date: May 8, 2005 Location: England Age: 30 Posts: 7,419	Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! Tsuyoiko!!!! pounces Good to see you back!

Nov 28, 2007, 06:33	#17
Uncle Frank You SPAM/We BAN ! Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: State of Maine Age: 59 Posts: 6,715	Waaaaaaaaaaawhoooooooooo!! Watch her pull a rabbit out of her hat! Welcome home hon! Uncle Frank :th ankyou:

Nov 28, 2007, 08:06	#18
Skullcrushergurl ~Vizual~ Join Date: Sep 11, 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 18 Posts: 262 Blog Entries: 6	Really cool. I like it already. I've posted a lot already. I like the serious forum! puts on serious face and goes to post __________________ Sexy, Fun, and Confident. IT'S MIYAVI!!!!

Nov 29, 2007, 08:56	#19
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	I agree with the above line of posts !!! Yes, it is indeed nice to have another Martian here on the forum once again !! (that's Tsuyoiko, you know...the girl from Mars) And it is a nice thing to have the serious discussion section up and running. One thing that I have always loved and taken a certain amount of pride in...if I may boast but just a little...is the ability I have slowly gained over the years, to be serious about serious discussions. That is a mood of discussion that allows for differences, yet argues against them in as waterproof a presentation as possible, all the while keeping emotional outbursts to an extreme little--yet not totally killing emotional play in the argument--such as an argument from absurdity. Let's enjoy the serious discussion, seriously !!! Mars Man

Dec 17, 2007, 11:30	#20
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	*ONE FAVOR* here please, to which I hope all would concede. . . I would like to suggest, since I do reason it best, that greater care be taken, in paragraph making. Long and burdensome with spaces to tight, is hard on the reading, and bad for the sight! Block style is better than indention format, and organized thoughts shine more clearly in that. Care should be taken, and I hope all agree, that paragraph making is important indeed !! THANKS FOLKS !! Mars Man

Dec 19, 2007, 06:44	#21
Chi65 Banned Join Date: Nov 14, 2007 Location: Berlin Age: 62 Posts: 939	How do I know, when my thoughts are a "block"?. . . Do I have to write it all before and think about it for days, how to put into another shape? Mpf- - - Water flows beyond and over blocks, sometimes

Dec 20, 2007, 00:22	#22
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	Ah but the water does indeed flow over and between the blocks, is absorbed by them, and even to various degrees shaped by them. Nevertheless, they are still blocks, and can be seen by the eye along with the water. For that reason, a number of smaller blocks are better than a single large block. The mountain stream is a great place to play !!

Dec 20, 2007, 03:32	#23
Chi65 Banned Join Date: Nov 14, 2007 Location: Berlin Age: 62 Posts: 939	Haha, but water can also shape blocks! Thus is considered to be stronger than rocks, in ancient China etc. But it would be fun, to sit on such mountain streams with you to discuss or just watch this . A bit south Suwa lake, on the western side, there is a fine one with watershaped big rounded stones, that were also used for wonderfull archaic buddha "statues", as far as I could guess in that aerea. Never mind, just seriously remembering (of course, I know what you mean )

Dec 20, 2007, 15:59	#24
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	Yes...please do notice that in my post above yours just above, is the following too: ...even to various degrees shaped by them... Oh...and just this little bit of off-topic here (even though this thread is not so fixed, actually) I have been to that area in Kiso--I live in that prefecture (Nagano). It had been a large rock formation that had been washed out over time, and the rocks now standing are what is left of it. It's a beautiful spot.

Dec 20, 2007, 18:48	#25
Mikawa Ossan 一寸先は光 Join Date: Sep 17, 2005 Location: 中西部 Posts: 3,520 Blog Entries: 51	Blocks come naturally to us moderators, because we're all a bunch of blockheads! __________________ Chukyo Dai Chukyo bansai!!!!

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