If everyone had to learn a international language...

arpee92 · Nov 17, 2007, 11:54

If everyone had to learn a international language, which type would it be?

Please don't say Esperanto... That language has so many flaw and is not Asian-Language friendly.

Personally, I would choose the character based language because writing will be faster and it will be Asian Friends which most of the world speaks

nice gaijin · Nov 17, 2007, 16:35

English is already the lingua franca for most of the world. If I wanted to go with an Asian language, I'd use Mandarin. One thing is for sure, if I had to pick a language, it would be one that already exists, and is in common use already.

nanook · Nov 17, 2007, 18:38

Asian-friendly or not, I'd pick Esperanto. Nice, easy to learn, easy to speak and relatively logical.

**Mars Man** · Nov 17, 2007, 21:41

Well, being me...I guess...I just have to kind of stick with what I have--English. However, for me, that wouldn't be so much of a learning process. I'm sorry, but I guess I got stuck on the term 'international language.' I just spoil the fun, I know, because I can't get beyond an international language's being used internationally for it to properly have the right to that definition.

I would like a language which gives the most precise and logical as well as poetic expressions, with phonetic reading, among a few other things.

Now, in order to really make this thread a candidate for the 'Serious Discussions' area, I'd hope, arpee92 san, that you'd present the evidence and arguments for that claim that Esperanto is 'flawed,' and is not 'Asian-Language friendly.' Otherwise, this thread would probably go in Chit Chat & Misc. Thank you !

JimmySeal · Nov 17, 2007, 23:22

Originally Posted by Mars Man

I'd hope, ... that you'd present the evidence and arguments for that claim that Esperanto is 'flawed,' and is not 'Asian-Language friendly.'

While I do think that most of arpee92/arpgme's comments are nonsense, I'll field this one:
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/

Sono Ike · Dec 19, 2007, 04:42

n . n ) well, sincerely I want something with no such a complicted "kanjis" as Chhinese/mandarin whatever. I'm not the only person that gets scared when thinking in learning all those simbols. I mean, I could lern them but... hell!! I have other important things to do... like learn maths ¬ ¬ ) *Sono hates maths*
mmm... english is actually a super ultra duper spoken language, I mean is not the most spoken, but a lot of people know it!!! For example, the japanese songs with lyrics in english. WTH?! Another example... I xDDD I'm maxican but most of the time I'm hearing and reading things in english > _ > (well, it would probably be different if I live near China 9 _ 9 )
I would like esperanto. Looooooong time ago when I was trying to learn it (when I was 13 aprox.) I discovered that it was very simple!!! It hasn't irregularities and is logical!

Anyway. I like all the different lenguages and they're a very important part of each country culture and history. o3o

yumeitsumo · Dec 19, 2007, 04:46

I think that we shouldn't be required to learn any language. If someone comes from a different country here: WE SHOULDnt have to learn their language. They need to learn english. Right?

Sono Ike · Dec 19, 2007, 05:20

Originally Posted by yumeitsumo

I think that we shouldn't be required to learn any language. If someone comes from a different country here: WE SHOULDnt have to learn their language. They need to learn english. Right?

I don't get your point. (Maybe 'cause my english sucks xD)
Let's see... ok, you're saying that if I live in... England and a Japanese came to England, then the Japanese must learn english? Well, if that's the case OF COURSE that the visitor is the one who must learn the language.

But if you're saying that everyone must learn english... = _ = )... well... let's allow the time to decide it!

-but I still prefer esperanto... 9_ 9 )-

yamahaR1 · Dec 21, 2007, 05:29

A character based language, especially Japanese

others include, Chinese-Languages, Korean, Taiwan

centrajapan · Dec 21, 2007, 05:35

A character based language, especially Japanese
others include, Chinese-Languages, Korean, Taiwan

How about Egyptian Hieroglyphs? Its not a bad thing to not be symbolic illiterate. We are surrounded by symbols, logos which we don´t even think about. Kanjis come from drawings. Its symbolism.

Be good if Norwegian was the world language. Our curse words are better than English. jævel means f@cker but its more visual. It is a troll looking elf out in the woods with his trousers down masterbating.

Doc · Dec 21, 2007, 05:42

I had to learn a foreign language in college to get my degree. That meant either choosing from Spanish, German, French, or Russian. I ended up picking German in the end. Boy was that a long year and a half of learning how to read and speak German. I sometimes dream in German now because of it all.

-Doc

Derfel · Dec 21, 2007, 05:45

I would probably pick Welsh, simply for the pleasure of learning and speaking a Celtic language.
Well once I'm finished with Japanese, and know over 3000 Kanji at least lol

Mavrek · Dec 30, 2007, 21:35

In my opinion English is such an international language which fulfill our requirements to learn any international language.

Homerduff · Dec 30, 2007, 21:41

English will always be the number 1 international business language. No mather how strong China will become. For a while people were saying that learning Chinese is the future. But actually the Chinese are currently learning English. Ofcourse if you want to do business in China or any other country itself you will surely benefit from knowing the local language.

Derfel · Dec 30, 2007, 22:09

You can't say always, that may easily change over the centuries. Remember what happened to French? Or what is happening to Russian?

Doc · Jan 2, 2008, 12:52

Maybe German will be the standard in the centuries to come.

-Doc

hideway · Jan 2, 2008, 13:32

I'm aiming at languages like Japanese and Mandarim.

Together with english they should be the most spoken languages in the next century.

Doc · Jan 2, 2008, 14:01

I'll take Japanese over Mandarin thank you very much!

-Doc

centrajapan · Jan 4, 2008, 08:54

if you speak Japanese and English this is a good combination because most Japanese speak little English and most English speakers little Japanese.
If you speak Norwegian and English this us not such a good combination because everyone speaks English in Norway and because Norwegian is a pretty useless language.

justin · Jan 4, 2008, 13:20

I would say English, but the way things are going Spanish will be the world language.

Doc · Jan 4, 2008, 13:26

Latin has a better chance of being a world language than Spanish.

**Dutch Baka** · Jan 4, 2008, 14:01

I would choose for English and Chinese.

Another question is, but that would maybe better for another thread is which languages shouldn't we use at all...

yumeitsumo · Jan 5, 2008, 02:56

I would choose Japanese! Well, duh, why wouldn't I choose Japanese. I think Japanese is the most unique and exciting.

**Goldiegirl** · Jan 5, 2008, 03:46

I think the answer to this question is right here in this forum. Look at all the posters, they (we) come from all over the world and we are all communicating in English.....

centrajapan · Jan 5, 2008, 23:50

Another question is, but that would maybe better for another thread is which languages shouldn't we use at all...

I think it is good with variety no matter how useless your native language is abroad.

View Poll Results: Which Type of IL?
Ayola (Esperanto with a reform) Aiola.org?	1	4.00%
A character based language (Chinese-Languages, Japanese)?	14	56.00%
A language with words taken from many language (Like English)	8	32.00%
Other (explain in post please)	2	8.00%
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Nov 17, 2007, 11:54	#1
arpee92 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 9	If everyone had to learn a international language... If everyone had to learn a international language, which type would it be? Please don't say Esperanto... That language has so many flaw and is not Asian-Language friendly. Personally, I would choose the character based language because writing will be faster and it will be Asian Friends which most of the world speaks

Nov 17, 2007, 23:22	#5
JimmySeal Tubthumper Join Date: Mar 5, 2006 Location: Japan Age: 27 Posts: 1,301	Originally Posted by Mars Man I'd hope, ... that you'd present the evidence and arguments for that claim that Esperanto is 'flawed,' and is not 'Asian-Language friendly.' While I do think that most of arpee92/arpgme's comments are nonsense, I'll field this one: http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/

Dec 19, 2007, 04:46	#7
yumeitsumo That's What She Said Join Date: Dec 18, 2007 Location: Virginia Age: 18 Posts: 449 Blog Entries: 3	I think that we shouldn't be required to learn any language. If someone comes from a different country here: WE SHOULDnt have to learn their language. They need to learn english. Right? __________________ Dream Always

Dec 19, 2007, 05:20	#8
Sono Ike yaoi lova Join Date: Dec 19, 2007 Location: Torreón, Coahuila, México Posts: 37	Originally Posted by yumeitsumo I think that we shouldn't be required to learn any language. If someone comes from a different country here: WE SHOULDnt have to learn their language. They need to learn english. Right? I don't get your point. (Maybe 'cause my english sucks xD) Let's see... ok, you're saying that if I live in... England and a Japanese came to England, then the Japanese must learn english? Well, if that's the case OF COURSE that the visitor is the one who must learn the language. But if you're saying that everyone must learn english... = _ = )... well... let's allow the time to decide it! -but I still prefer esperanto... 9_ 9 )-

Nov 17, 2007, 16:35	#2
nice gaijin Resident Realist Join Date: Aug 8, 2005 Posts: 3,686	English is already the lingua franca for most of the world. If I wanted to go with an Asian language, I'd use Mandarin. One thing is for sure, if I had to pick a language, it would be one that already exists, and is in common use already.

Nov 17, 2007, 18:38	#3
nanook Wolf Join Date: Jun 10, 2007 Posts: 82	Asian-friendly or not, I'd pick Esperanto. Nice, easy to learn, easy to speak and relatively logical.

Nov 17, 2007, 21:41	#4
Mars Man Kami-sama Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 4,292 Blog Entries: 1	Well, being me...I guess...I just have to kind of stick with what I have--English. However, for me, that wouldn't be so much of a learning process. I'm sorry, but I guess I got stuck on the term 'international language.' I just spoil the fun, I know, because I can't get beyond an international language's being used internationally for it to properly have the right to that definition. I would like a language which gives the most precise and logical as well as poetic expressions, with phonetic reading, among a few other things. Now, in order to really make this thread a candidate for the 'Serious Discussions' area, I'd hope, arpee92 san, that you'd present the evidence and arguments for that claim that Esperanto is 'flawed,' and is not 'Asian-Language friendly.' Otherwise, this thread would probably go in Chit Chat & Misc. Thank you !

Dec 19, 2007, 04:42	#6
Sono Ike yaoi lova Join Date: Dec 19, 2007 Location: Torreón, Coahuila, México Posts: 37	n . n ) well, sincerely I want something with no such a complicted "kanjis" as Chhinese/mandarin whatever. I'm not the only person that gets scared when thinking in learning all those simbols. I mean, I could lern them but... hell!! I have other important things to do... like learn maths ¬ ¬ ) Sono hates maths mmm... english is actually a super ultra duper spoken language, I mean is not the most spoken, but a lot of people know it!!! For example, the japanese songs with lyrics in english. WTH?! Another example... I xDDD I'm maxican but most of the time I'm hearing and reading things in english > _ > (well, it would probably be different if I live near China 9 _ 9 ) I would like esperanto. Looooooong time ago when I was trying to learn it (when I was 13 aprox.) I discovered that it was very simple!!! It hasn't irregularities and is logical! Anyway. I like all the different lenguages and they're a very important part of each country culture and history. o3o

Dec 21, 2007, 05:29	#9
yamahaR1 Regular Member Join Date: Nov 11, 2007 Location: Durham, North Carolina Age: 33 Posts: 25	A character based language, especially Japanese others include, Chinese-Languages, Korean, Taiwan

Dec 21, 2007, 05:35	#10
centrajapan Banned Join Date: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 691	A character based language, especially Japanese others include, Chinese-Languages, Korean, Taiwan How about Egyptian Hieroglyphs? Its not a bad thing to not be symbolic illiterate. We are surrounded by symbols, logos which we don´t even think about. Kanjis come from drawings. Its symbolism. Be good if Norwegian was the world language. Our curse words are better than English. jævel means f@cker but its more visual. It is a troll looking elf out in the woods with his trousers down masterbating. Last edited by centrajapan; Dec 21, 2007 at 05:44. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

Dec 21, 2007, 05:42	#11
Doc Government Man Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Location: City 17 Posts: 990	I had to learn a foreign language in college to get my degree. That meant either choosing from Spanish, German, French, or Russian. I ended up picking German in the end. Boy was that a long year and a half of learning how to read and speak German. I sometimes dream in German now because of it all. -Doc __________________ "Rather than offer you the illusion of free choice, I will take the liberty of choosing for you... if and when your time comes round again. I do apologize for what must seem to you an arbitrary imposition, Dr. Freeman. I trust it will all make sense to you in the course of... well... I'm really not at liberty to say. In the meantime... this is where I get off." -G-man

Dec 21, 2007, 05:45	#12
Derfel INTP Join Date: Aug 30, 2007 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Ghetto accommodation Age: 19 Posts: 1,847 Blog Entries: 1	I would probably pick Welsh, simply for the pleasure of learning and speaking a Celtic language. Well once I'm finished with Japanese, and know over 3000 Kanji at least lol __________________ Derfel's Anime & Manga Reviews, Previews and Articles.

Dec 30, 2007, 21:35	#13
Mavrek Regular Member Join Date: Dec 23, 2007 Posts: 95	In my opinion English is such an international language which fulfill our requirements to learn any international language.

Dec 30, 2007, 21:41	#14
Homerduff ケビン Join Date: Jan 2, 2007 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Age: 20 Posts: 335 Blog Entries: 4	English will always be the number 1 international business language. No mather how strong China will become. For a while people were saying that learning Chinese is the future. But actually the Chinese are currently learning English. Ofcourse if you want to do business in China or any other country itself you will surely benefit from knowing the local language.

Dec 30, 2007, 22:09	#15
Derfel INTP Join Date: Aug 30, 2007 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Ghetto accommodation Age: 19 Posts: 1,847 Blog Entries: 1	You can't say always, that may easily change over the centuries. Remember what happened to French? Or what is happening to Russian?

Jan 2, 2008, 12:52	#16
Doc Government Man Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Location: City 17 Posts: 990	Maybe German will be the standard in the centuries to come. -Doc

Jan 2, 2008, 13:32	#17
hideway still hiding Join Date: Dec 8, 2006 Location: Barreiro Age: 26 Posts: 391 Blog Entries: 7	I'm aiming at languages like Japanese and Mandarim. Together with english they should be the most spoken languages in the next century.

Jan 2, 2008, 14:01	#18
Doc Government Man Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Location: City 17 Posts: 990	I'll take Japanese over Mandarin thank you very much! -Doc

Jan 4, 2008, 08:54	#19
centrajapan Banned Join Date: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 691	if you speak Japanese and English this is a good combination because most Japanese speak little English and most English speakers little Japanese. If you speak Norwegian and English this us not such a good combination because everyone speaks English in Norway and because Norwegian is a pretty useless language.

Jan 4, 2008, 13:20	#20
justin The new cool Join Date: Aug 31, 2003 Location: Spokane Age: 27 Posts: 445	I would say English, but the way things are going Spanish will be the world language. __________________

Jan 4, 2008, 13:26	#21
Doc Government Man Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Location: City 17 Posts: 990	Latin has a better chance of being a world language than Spanish.

Jan 4, 2008, 14:01	#22
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	I would choose for English and Chinese. Another question is, but that would maybe better for another thread is which languages shouldn't we use at all... __________________ My website: Kobe city info and my PM Forum Rules - J-Music Forum Rules - FAQ - Calendar Write an article for Jref - Reputation points Last edited by Dutch Baka; Jan 4, 2008 at 14:01. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

Jan 5, 2008, 02:56	#23
yumeitsumo That's What She Said Join Date: Dec 18, 2007 Location: Virginia Age: 18 Posts: 449 Blog Entries: 3	I would choose Japanese! Well, duh, why wouldn't I choose Japanese. I think Japanese is the most unique and exciting.

Jan 5, 2008, 03:46	#24
Goldiegirl Sister Earth Join Date: Aug 10, 2006 Location: Old Ashippun, WI Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 12	I think the answer to this question is right here in this forum. Look at all the posters, they (we) come from all over the world and we are all communicating in English..... __________________ I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. ~Jack Handey

Jan 5, 2008, 23:50	#25
centrajapan Banned Join Date: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 691	Another question is, but that would maybe better for another thread is which languages shouldn't we use at all... I think it is good with variety no matter how useless your native language is abroad.

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