Conspiracy Theories 101

[Pachipro]

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Conspiracy: /kənˈspɪr ə si/[kuh n-spir-uh-see] –noun, plural -cies.

1. the act of conspiring.

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Conspiracy theories, just the word itself tends to make one groan and giggle and look at you like you are in need of treatment or Prosac for, if conspiracy theories were true, you would definitely hear about them on the evening news or in the New York Times, right? Not!

I too was not at all convinced until I read the book “Rule by Secrecy” one day and decided to delve into some of them myself to see if there were any other facts or writings to back up the absurd claims I read in the book. After sifting through much of the BS and the propaganda from the media and, thanks to the internet, I discovered a shadowy world where many of the predictions of hundreds of years ago are coming true in this very day and age and discovered who truly runs this world and why we are “their” slaves who only exist to work for “them”, pay taxes (income to them), and to be perpetually in debt. Just from present day current events confirms what was written and planned a couple of hundred years and even 70 years ago.

To begin to understand and comprehend Conspiracy Theories one has to understand how they originated and where they come from. I am a firm believer that where there is smoke there is fire and such is the same with Conspiracy Theories.

To begin with, there are thousands of conspiracy theories out there such as the Kennedy assassination, 911, Did we land on the moon?, AIDS, SARS, Bird Flu, Martin Luther King, The Roswell UFO Crash, Banks, etc., while others are just pure BS with no facts to back them up.

For now I will begin this thread with the major conspiracy, and one which ties all the other credible theories together, and that is the "conspiracy" to eventually put the entire planet under a One World Government or a New World Order (NWO).

The NWO, or "thousands of points of light" that daddy Bush mentioned some 15 years ago during his presidency is not something that was said out of jest or thought of on the spur of the moment, but an idea that has been incubating for hundreds of years. It was begun over 100 years ago (some say it goes back to biblical times when a previous advanced previous civilization was destroyed in a natural cataclysm) under the name “Illuminati” by a protege of one Mayer Rothschild, International Banker in England, last century who sold all his stock during the Napoleonic War and started a rumor that Napoleon was losing a major battle. A panic ensued and the market crashed in England. Rothschild, rich in cash, bought up all the stock for pennies on the dollar (pound) and eventually owned all of England by forcing England to set up a central bank that he and his family controlled.

He did the same in the US in 1913 when his lackeys convinced President Wilson to approve his Federal Reserve System whereby the printing and coining of money was taken away from the US Government (against the constitution of the US) and handed over to a handful of international bankers who would now print and lend money to the United States at interest and our so-called Federal Income Tax (enforced by the IRS) and NEVER ratified legally (although it is listed as the 16th amendment to the constitution) that we pay each week from our pay checks is, actually, not used for government services for the people, but to pay the salaries of government workers, the military, and to pay off the interest on this money lent to us. Not one cent is used for infrastructure or other services for the country. That money comes from excise taxes, road taxes, and other legal taxes. For more info see how one lawyer proved in a court of law that there is no provable law saying we, in the US, must pay federal income tax.

He (Rothschild) is famous for the saying, “Give me control of a nations money supply and I care not who make her laws”

President Wilson lamented some years later that he had unwittingly destroyed the economy and freedom of the United States by giving control of the economy and the control of the nation’s money supply to these people. How right he was. You will also notice that a lot of the links I will post have biblical references as some research follows these groups’ bloodlines back to the time referenced in the bible.

To understand what is going on in the world today and why we must always have a “bogyman” to be afraid of (i.e. Hitler, the Soviet Union, Khadaffi, Amin, Saddam Hussein, Amadinejhad, the Liberals, The Democrats, Manuel Noriega, Iran, etc., etc., etc.,) and wars for profit with the same country and businesses providing arms and money to both sides and why “they” must keep the individual and corporations in perpetual debt on an ongoing basis, one must first understand the organizations behind this and the farce of banking and creating money. To completely understand, you MUST take the time to watch these links: The Monopoly Men, America: Freedom to Fascism, The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America, (3 1/2 hrs long!) And the all Important “Money As Debt” which in itself is an education you will never get in university.

Yes, I know it is a lot of time out of your daily life and that most people are too far in debt and don’t have the time because they must "Work To Live" rather than "Live to Work" in order to survive and that’s the way “they” want it to be. If you’re too busy, you cannot ever have the time to understand what is going on before your very eyes! “They” are depending on it and you will be their slave for the rest of your life. Someone once said, knowledge is power and if you want to have power you WILL take the time to study the links, re-educate yourself, and finally wake up to the world around you.

“They” go by various names today, the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) and The Tri-Lateral Commission, The Illuminati, The Bilderbergers (see also this most recent book review and be sure to read the review!), Skull and Bones, and the more recent Neocons. Their membership, especially the CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, and the Neocons reads like a who’s who of the most famous names in politics (present and former), industry, financing and banking and their blood lines go back hundreds of years to Europe and Israel. The Rockefellers, the Rothschild’s, The Walkers and The Prescotts, The Bush’s, The Warburgs, The Carnegies, The Windsors (The British Royal Family), Lehman, Delano, Roosevelt, Goldman, Sach, Sterns, Lynch, J.P. Morgan, etc.

John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff of the New York Times, called by his peers "the Dean of his profession", was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club. He responded with the following statement:

"There is no such thing as an independent press in America, if we except that of little country towns. You know this and I know it. Not a man among you dares to utter his honest opinion. Were you to utter it, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.


I am paid one hundred and fifty dollars a week so that I may keep my honest opinion out of the newspaper for which I
write. You too are paid similar salaries for similar services.

Were I to permit that a single edition of my newspaper contained an honest opinion, my occupation - like Othello's - would be gone in less than twenty-four hours.


The man who would be so foolish as to write his honest opinion would soon be on the streets in search of another job. It is the duty of a New York journalist to lie, to distort, to revile, to toady at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or what amounts to the same thing, his salary.


We are the tools and the vassals of the rich behind the scenes. We are marionettes. These men pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our capacities are all the property of these men - we are intellectual prostitutes." (As quoted by T. St. John Gaffney in Breaking The Silence, page 4.)


That was the U.S. press in 1953. It is the mass media of America today.

In a sense they are all related in one way or another i.e. President Bush is a distant cousin of Prince Charles, and the Cheney’s and President Bush’s wife are also related distantly, and they control the politics and finances, including all the major brokerage houses, of the entire western world including, sadly, much of Japan today. And they also control the entire world’s oil supply with the blessing of the Saudi Arabian Government who are really their puppets. They also own all of the major media, including print and broadcast and have their fingerprints in Hollywood. Also, today they are getting their fingers into the internet with the recent purchases of My Space and YouTube so they can further keep track of you and public opinion. So does anyone really think they get any real, honest news today from TV and print? The real news can, for the time being, be found on the internet if you look hard enough.

A few years ago, three-quarters of the majority stockholders of ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN were banks, such as Chase Manhattan Corp., Citibank, Morgan Guaranty Trust and Bank of America; ten such corporations controlled 59 magazines (including Time and Newsweek), 58 newspapers (including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal), and various motion picture companies, giving the major Wall Street banks virtually total ownership of the mass media, with few exceptions (such as the Disney Company's purchase of ABC).

The factions today are so convoluted and fragmented that it is like putting together a foot square jig-saw puzzle with 10,000 pieces for which only 5,000 are needed to complete the puzzle. But, they all have in common one major goal and that is to subjugate the world under a one world government where they will be the masters and we the slaves even though the different factions are often at odds with each other on how to accomplish that goal. The invasion of Iraq is said to be but one example of the infighting where Bush went against the wishes of the majority and did it on his own with the backing of Cheney and the Neocons and not the others in order to corner the world’s second largest oil supply.

Take all of these conspiracies together, put them into a pot of boiling water and let it all boil off. What you will be left with is the Bilderbergers, The CFR, and the Tri-Lateral Commission which, in effect, are actually running the government today as well as the governments of all the major industrialized countries of the world today including, yes, Japan. Did you know that the Finance Minister of Japan is a former Goldman Sachs employee as well as the Secretary of the Treasury of the US today? Coincidence? Not on your life? Check the backgrounds of the other so-called Finance Ministers in other industrialized countries and you will discover similar links.

The President, Prime Ministers, Chancellors, etc., are nothing but puppets and the Congress, Parliament, Diet, etc. are just bought off by lobbying groups and big businesses of these groups. If you think even for a moment that you actually elect your representatives today you are sadly misled and misinformed.

Do a little reading in the links provided to give you a background and I will further elaborate on details concerning individual “conspiracies” later.

Once one takes the time to do a little detailed research on his/her own, sifts through the BS and media propaganda, one cannot help but come away with the feeling that we are being lied to and the world around us is not what we are led to believe it is. I don’t expect anyone to believe what I have posted or written or linked to, but I do hope maybe one will do their own individual research and decide for themselves.

However, if even one person finds out the truth themselves and passes it on to another, maybe enough people will soon wake up to the truth and something can eventually be done about it. After all, there are 6 billion of us and several thousands or tens of thousands of them, but isn’t it a pity that so few can control the lives and fortunes of so many? Just look at the fingerprint procedures just enacted in Japan. So few protested in person. Why? Because they were afraid of their visa status or of repercussions. Therefore, they have succeeded in branding all foreigners living in Japan as “potential terrorists” without even a whimper by the foreign community and their biometrics will be on file for life! Soon you will not even be able to fart without "them" knowing it! This is just the beginning and the pace is picking up.

For now “Google” is your friend for access to this information. Soon it may not be so and once that information supply line is cut, they can more quickly achieve their goal of a One World Government and the tracking of every individual on this planet through biometrics, DNA samples, GPS systems in phones and cars, and what have you. Time is short.

Sadly though, if history is any example, few, if any, will take the time to do the research and “they” know that and one day you’ll wake up and say, “WTF happened?” Just remember, you were warned and failed to act.

Part of their plan was foiled about 230 years ago in a place called "America" by a small band of revolutionaries who wanted no part of it and decided to set up their own free country where all people would be free of this yolk of slavery. More than 95% of the people at the time didn't support Washington and his followers, but they persevered and succeeded in overthrowing and defeating the most formidable and powerful Army in the world of that time: England. They then set up a Constitution and Bill of Rights whereby the people would never again be subjugated to the tyranny of a country like England and could live in freedom without a government forcing them to do things against their will. And today we are "told" to worship him to no end while behind our backs they have another agenda.

Has anyone ever read them completely? I thought so, because if you did you would see that the laws like the Patriot Act, The Real ID Act, (check out the official US government link and you'll see the wording is almost exactly as the Japan biometrics law) etc. have completely undermined the basic rights of the people of the United States. They have already subjugated the whole of Europe with the European Union and it is only a matter of time now before they subjugate the people of the US, Canada, Mexico and South America and put them under the same umbrella under the North American Union. The same goes for Japan for, as the old saying says, as goes the US so does Japan.

Sadly, it only took about 100 years for England (and the One World Order group) to get her claws back into America and another 130 to finally get the people and lawmakers where they want them and it looks like they are succeeding. Remember, their timeline is indefinite, but for some reason everything is pointing to the fact that this must be done by 2012. Why I'm not sure yet. Many are pointing to the end of the Mayan Calandar (one of many links) and the end of yet another technologically advanced civilization while others discount it. Whatever, it is happening and at a faster pace.

If you care not about your "freedom" and the future of your children and grandchildren, then completely ignore the links, forget this thread, and just go about your daily life oblivious to the real world around you and continue to live in your own little bubble believing that everything is ok because the news says it is.

Please do not flame just because you disagree with me, but if you must flame me, back up your flames with links to facts to back up your claims and read the links (yes I know you don't have the time as you are a "slave" and do as you are told), but if you don't have the time to read the links, please do not respond as it will only prove your ignorance. I will respond likewise with links to verifiable facts in kind because these are the facts however much you refuse to believe them.

And for all those who may say I am a Liberal, I say I was a staunch Republican who is now an independent and will vote for Ron Paul in the upcoming election as will many thousands of others. However, you will never hear his name in the media, but he has won every single Republican Presidential Debate to date. Google the name and you'll understand that he is the only one fighting the NWO factions and is completely backing the constitution and Bill of Rights. Here YouTube has disabled comments for this Ron Paul video. I wonder why?

European, American, Canadian, Austrailan, Japanese, New Zelander, the future is in your hands. Are you willing to do something about it or just be a patsy salve? I think I hear crickets in the background.

[centrajapan]

Excellent post Pachipro. I enjoyed reading your post very much. For a start NWO is not a conspiracy theory. It is a theory. The ultimate goal being the One World Government. Politicinas have been rallying this for many many years.

The Saudi's are not puppets of the US government but rather the US government or for that mater any counhtry which is dependent on oil is Saudi's clients. It's a straight forward business relationship.

In a sense they are all related in one way or another i.e. President Bush is a distant cousin of Prince Charles, and the Cheney’s and President Bush’s wife are also related distantly, and they control the politics and finances, including all the major brokerage houses, of the entire western world including, sadly, much of Japan today

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The Bush family before emigrating to US were knighted by the UK Royals. THis is not that shocking. Powerful families have remained powerful. It is only quite recently that there is some sort of social mobility in society but the trend is rich people stay rich and poor people stay poor. Infact the gap between rich and poor is not decreasing but increasing. Powerful people are getting more and more powerful.

I have read books, and watched documentaries on it.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Is an excellent movie which is highly recommendable.

The banking system is evil. The banks has tremendous power because it has the power to make money. This is how it works.

The bank first makes money ONLY after when someone has to borrow it.
Bank has 0 pound;.
I need 10 pounds. I go to the bank and ask for 10pounds;.
Bank then makes 10pounds;.
I get 10pounds;
but I have to give the bank 11pounds;.
How can I give something that does not exist?

The bank does not make new money until some other person borrows money again. The system it self is dependent on that someone is in debt.

They have already subjugated the whole of Europe with the European Union

The reason why Switzerland isn't a member of EU is because much of the strongest banks in Europe are the Swiss. The reason why EU emerged in the first place was not to subjucate entire Europe but rather to stop wars in Europe once and forever. I don't think this has much to do with the Illmuinati. Sure there are many powerful members within the EU who are members of the Illmunati. Besides countries do not have to become members of EU. Norway, Switzerland have chosen to stay out of it. Scandinavian countries have chosen not to use the Euro together with UK.

On the flip side. Shifting towards a one world government might not be such a bad idea. If everyone is on the same side there will be less conflicts.

[centrajapan]

[centrajapan]

For thousands of years people have communicated via symbology. Since the days of Babylon. But in newer times Freemasons, Illmunati are good examples of secret socities who have used this type of communication.

The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
Each building had 110 stories.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
"New York City" has 11 letters.
"Afghanistan" - 11 letters.
"The Pentagon" - 11 letters.
"Ramzi Yousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993).
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.

The number 11 comes up again and again.

Twin Towers =11　because it looks like a number 11 + Flight 11 + September, 11th.

The more numbers, the greater the chance of success. This very strong numeric signature on this attack clearly sends a signal that this event was Illuminist.

Haledan Table

1AIJQY
2BKR
3CGLS
4DMT
5EHNX
6UVW
7OZ
8FP

There is no number 9 in this Numerology chart because, to the ancient Chaldeans, 9 was believed to be a sacred number and was kept apart from the rest.

S3 +
E5 +
P8 +
T4 +
E5 +
M4 +
B2 +
E5 +
R2 = 38 => 3 + 8 = 11

September adds up to 11 according to The Chaldean Method.

G + E + O + R + G + E (3 + 5 + 7 + 2 + 3 + 5) = 25
W ( 6 ) 6
B + U + S + H ( 2 + 6 + 3 + 5 ) = 16

47 ( 4 + 7 = 11) Eleven again.

Bush whose name equals the number 11 who ordered all flags be flown at half-mast until September 22! Sept. 22 is 11 days after the event.

Flight 11 was the first to enter "New York City" (11 letters). There were 92 (9 + 2 = 11) souls on board, including the 11 crew members, when it slammed into the North Tower:

N5
O7
R2
T 4
H 5
= 23

T4
O7
W 6
E5
R 2
= 24

23+24 is 47. 4+7 is 11.

President Kennedy, he was killed according to the occult number signature of eleven [11]. He was killed in the 11th month, on the 22nd day, and on the 33rd parallel.

The master numbers 11, 22, and 33 represent a triangle. A triangle of enlightenment or illumination.

Bush´s birthday. 7/6/1946 => 7 + 6 = 13, 1946 => 1 + 9 + 4 + 6 = 20. 20 + 13 = 33 .. .. 11 + 22.

George W. Bush's birthday equals the master number 33, and it was Bush whose name equals the master number 11 who ordered all flags be flown at half-mast until September 22! Sept. 22 is 11 days after the event. It completed the triangle 11, 22, 33.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

[Sarapva]

Wow - interesting! What's most chilling is the pictures on that link of both Clinton and Bush making the hand sign of the Freemasons. I'll have to think about all this.

[centrajapan]

Another conspiracy theory which is very strange is that World Trade Center 7 in New York City collapsed without getting hit by an airplane.

Many say it was a controlled demolishion. You can see for yourself.

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

WTC 1&2 were hit by an airplane. But there was one moe building which also collapsed that day and it was WTC7.


I haven't taken a stance whether it is true or not. One of the problems is that the US government will not release classified documents which increase the suspicion that it might have been an implosion.

[centrajapan]

Here a little background info on Freemasonary and the Illmunati.

Albert Pike is often said to be the architect behind New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. Based on a vision revealed to him, Albert Pike wrote a blueprint of events that would play themselves out in the 20th century, with even more of these events yet to come. It is this blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

World War 1,2 & 3 was predicted by Pike. Rather these wars were planned for many generations and put in motion by powerful people. The first war was to destroy Tsar Russia and promote communism, the 2nd war to support Zionism and destroy Fascism. Both ideologies were created by the Illmunati. With a strong state in Israel the third war would be against the Islam world.

Pike was a 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society whose name means "Enlightened Ones". Although the Order was founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

[centrajapan]

ILLUMINATI Bloodlines of power

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=VCASbo...eature=related

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by centrajapan

For thousands of years people have communicated via symbology. Since the days of Babylon. But in newer times Freemasons, Illmunati are good examples of secret socities who have used this type of communication.
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
Each building had 110 stories.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
"New York City" has 11 letters.
"Afghanistan" - 11 letters.
"The Pentagon" - 11 letters.
"Ramzi Yousef" - 11 letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993).
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight 11 had 11 crew members onboard.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.
The number 11 comes up again and again.
Twin Towers =11　because it looks like a number 11 + Flight 11 + September, 11th.
The more numbers, the greater the chance of success. This very strong numeric signature on this attack clearly sends a signal that this event was Illuminist.
Haledan Table
1AIJQY
2BKR
3CGLS
4DMT
5EHNX
6UVW
7OZ
8FP
There is no number 9 in this Numerology chart because, to the ancient Chaldeans, 9 was believed to be a sacred number and was kept apart from the rest.
S3 +
E5 +
P8 +
T4 +
E5 +
M4 +
B2 +
E5 +
R2 = 38 => 3 + 8 = 11
September adds up to 11 according to The Chaldean Method.
G + E + O + R + G + E (3 + 5 + 7 + 2 + 3 + 5) = 25
W ( 6 ) 6
B + U + S + H ( 2 + 6 + 3 + 5 ) = 16
47 ( 4 + 7 = 11) Eleven again.
Bush whose name equals the number 11 who ordered all flags be flown at half-mast until September 22! Sept. 22 is 11 days after the event.
Flight 11 was the first to enter "New York City" (11 letters). There were 92 (9 + 2 = 11) souls on board, including the 11 crew members, when it slammed into the North Tower:
N5
O7
R2
T 4
H 5
= 23
T4
O7
W 6
E5
R 2
= 24
23+24 is 47. 4+7 is 11.
President Kennedy, he was killed according to the occult number signature of eleven [11]. He was killed in the 11th month, on the 22nd day, and on the 33rd parallel.
The master numbers 11, 22, and 33 represent a triangle. A triangle of enlightenment or illumination.
Bush´s birthday. 7/6/1946 => 7 + 6 = 13, 1946 => 1 + 9 + 4 + 6 = 20. 20 + 13 = 33 .. .. 11 + 22.
George W. Bush's birthday equals the master number 33, and it was Bush whose name equals the master number 11 who ordered all flags be flown at half-mast until September 22! Sept. 22 is 11 days after the event. It completed the triangle 11, 22, 33.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

This is not a conspiracy, but a law called the law of truly large numbers, better known as coincidence. See this link. In other words if you want to see a pattern you will see it, even if one doesn't exist
Another link

[Derfel]

Lets say there are secret organizations and bloodlines... are they bloody idiots that want to show off their existence?
If they want to show off they're a bunch of retards, therefore they can't organize such a "conspiracy".
If they're professionals, the people behind pretty much everything, you'll never figure out what they're doing or planning. Basically everything that is connected to both algebra and/or geometry and/or simple maths and at the same time is connected with any of the following organizations: Templars, Rosicrucian Order, Vatican, US government, NSDAP, Freemasons, Hermetic Order, Wiccans, etc. can be labeled as utter BS.
I completely agree with Mycernius. Can't stop but wonder how people have the nerves to make up such false rubbish. Master numbers, fixed values and such are simply to forge a connection where there aren't any.

[centrajapan]

Illmunati and Freemasons are not conspircay theories. These are organizations. They are secret organizations and yet you see their signature all over the place. Even in Shinjuku East Exit by Alta there is a Freemason Pyramid. Freemason controls Lions Mansion. Lions Mansion are all over Japan. The Dollar Bill has Illmunati signature all over it's dollar bill. This is not a conspiracy. Illuminati Masonic symbolis are in many places.

Baseball is a sport created by Freemasons. This is not a conspiracy either.

Baseball was obviously created by Freemasons, as it bears the unmistakable marks of Freemasonry. The field, from home plate to the left and right field wall forms a compass; the entire outfield wall is the semicircle which this compass draws. Upside-down, overlapping this compass, the bases form the square. Thus, the baseball field is the emblem of Freemasonry. Three strikes and three outs were assigned because three is the principle sacred number of Freemasonry. Four is a number of significance because it represents a square (the shape) and deals with the four directions, thus: four balls, four bases. Nine is sacred because it is three squared… there are nine fielding positions and nine innings.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_..._symbolism.htm

It is not a conspiracy that some people do believe that some numbers are mor worth than others and sacred. I am not arguing that some numbers are sacred but rather arguing that some people believe some numbers to be sacred. Pike was a 33rd degree Mason. It is not a coencidence that he was the 33rd.

While I am still quite neutral to 9-11. I don't believe more in one theory than other. I find it strange that WTC7 collapsed even without getting hit by an airplane. The official report said it collapsed due to a fire yet no fire has ever made a steel framed building colapse before in history. I also find it strange that they say an airplane hit Pentagon yet by the looks of thing it looks more like it was hit by a missile.

As for Ron Paul. He seems to be the most vocal against NWO and the Federal Reverse.

Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve has an excellent back ground info on the Federal Reserve.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

As for Illmunati some background info. The video is quite funny.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=amLDfAMnLVc

Washington DC, Inner London, Vatican City are city states. They have seperate laws and identity. The Vatican and the Catholic Church is one of the wealthies organizations on earth. They have tremendous amount of gold and cash due to their monoply on power for centuries. Inner London houses Rothschild. And many international banks. Washington DC is also a city sate. These 3 cities are called Empire of the City. Washington DC controls the millitary, London the finance, the Vatican the spiritual.

[Derfel]

Freemasons are just freemasons, they're not some evil organization to screw the world as much as possible, they do what they do for their own sake. They might have influence, a lot of it, but come on, its not like they're infernalists who are gonna summon satan from hell one of these days.

[MadamePapillon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasons

I find it funny in a almost suspicious way that in regards to the illuminati there is little to no information on it on wikipedia other than it's very distant history. Absolutely nothing pertaining to the here and now.
The same with the freemasons. Quite a bit of general information and history...nothing about it's present activity or anything that could link it to todays big players around the world.

Could be coincidence, could be tampering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons

[Derfel]

It would be moronic to leave their mark everywhere and erase all information about themselves, don't you agree?

[centrajapan]

It would be moronic to leave their mark everywhere and erase all information about themselves, don't you agree?

I agree with you here. While the 9-11 numerology that I posted and got debunked might be a bit far fetched maybe we should ask who has benefited from 9-11? I have to say that 11 is one hell of a coencidence. So much that it does make my mind quimble a little.

We could also do some background chek up on what the Illmunati and the Freemasons and other secret socities is?

Why is there an Egyptian Pyramid on the Dollar Bill? USA doesn't have any pyramids. On the Dollar bill it says Novus Ordo Seclorum meaning Secular New Order.

Adam Weishaupt is said to be the founder of the Illmunati. He defected from Christianity to embrace the luciferian conspiracy. This was in the late 1700s. May Day is celebrated as the day of communism, socialism, workers etc but it goes further back than that. It comes from Illmunati.

Anyhow. Their goal is world domination. A One World Government. How this government will take place is.....I'm not sure how it will take place. Some say it will be though UN. Others through something else. When you think about it. People or a group of people have wanted to rule the entire world for centuries.The Mongolians, Hitler, Communism, USA, England, France etc. So that some group of people wanting to rle the world is no big shock. Multi National companies want to rule the world too.

I don't know too much about this whole thing but having seen the documentary Zeitgeist and read a little it has caught my attention and made me more suspicious of what this all is about.

Please you got to see this movie.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

This will be an eye opener.

Lucifer is often said to be Satan so by worshipping Lucifer one is assumed to be a Satanist. However

Lucifer represents the ultimate source of Light and not the Prince of Darkness. His name means light-bearer, from the latin words "lux"(light) + "ferre"(to carry). Due to this misunderstanding of context the Illuminati's quest for enlightenment is repeatedly claimed as a worship of Satan

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1706.html

Whether Illmunati and other secrest societies do worship the devil should not be a criteria to judge whether that organization is goor or evil though.

[Mycernius]

Originally Posted by centrajapan

Lucifer is often said to be Satan so by worshipping Lucifer one is assumed to be a Satanist.

Just to clear the term Satanist. Anyone who does not worship or follow the Abrahamic god is classed as a Satanist. It refers to the worship of heathen gods or doctrine. Hinus, Buddhists, Shinto and technically atheists are all Satanists.

[centrajapan]

Anyone who does not worship or follow the Abrahamic god is classed as a Satanist. It refers to the worship of heathen gods or doctrine. Hinus, Buddhists, Shinto and technically atheists are all Satanists.

This might be true. Though I don't think all Christians believe every Buddhist will go to hell. I amnot sure about this one. I'd like to get some Christian, Muslim, Jew expert on this. A believer. You are not a believer. I'm sure it says some place in the Bible that everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will burn in hell. Scare stories about hell is nt only a Christian trait. I have seen Buddhist pictures of hell in Japan.

What is true is that Buddha and Jesus share lots of similarities making you wonder if they got the same source. Namely the sun and stars. Here are other super stars who were born on the same date. Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, Horus.

The reason for this was not because they had roots in the same culture. One culture spread to another but because each culture used sun, starts to navigate and create myths.

Buddha was born around winter solstice, Jesus was too and Horus. And they were born from the same type of mother too. That is one rather good coencidense.

[Sarapva]

I have to say that the number 11 does seem to have some significance here. I'll be keeping my eyes open for anything else about this.

I can believe that the world's very rich (from any country) probably help each other in different ways that we citizens don't always know about.

As for the "you're either for Satan or God" thing - that's just another extremist viewpoint. "You're either for or against us" is a quote from Bush - there are some similiarities here!

[Sukotto]

It was found it a court of law, in 1999 I believe, that it was a conspiracy to kill Martin Luther King Jr, including some gov't people. The MLKjr family only fought for a 5$ monetary reward, as this wasn't their interest. You can find info on this on CourtTV's website (and probably elsewhere). (At least I found it there once)

Oh, and since we're all listing movies, here's my choice
What I Learned About US Foreign Policy - The War Against The Third World
Except, unfortunately, this one isn't theory.

[Mars Man]

Just to set a few things straight here:

Of course what Mycernius had said is largely true. It is only for the fact that there are so many different sects/denominatory groups within Christianity itself, that it most likely would not be absolute.

Originally Posted by centrajapan

Though I don't think all Christians believe every Buddhist will go to hell.

Both, therefore, have some degree of truth, however the far larger degree has to go with what Mycernius has far more correctly stated.

Originally Posted by centrajapan

I'm sure it says some place in the Bible that everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will burn in hell.

No, there are no such direct statements in the canonical Greek writings of the first to early second centuries--and/or in the more correct English translations from the Greek.

Originally Posted by centrajapan

Scare stories about hell is nt only a Christian trait. I have seen Buddhist pictures of hell in Japan.

This is because the concept of 'hell' as you are talking about here--which, by the way, is basically non-Jewish and had little carry over, even among first century Christians/Essenes--is pre-second Temple Judaism and Christianity. This basic concept can be traced back, primarily, to Zoroastrianism (Persian).

Originally Posted by centrajapan

Here are other super stars who were born on the same date. Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, Horus.

(bold mine)

This is urban ledgend aided by Kabalaistic overkill.

Originally Posted by centrajapan

... Jesus was too

(see above)

[centrajapan]

A good morning to you Mars Man-san. I would like to clarify a few things with you. As I have difficulties understanding what you exactly mean.

No, there are no such direct statements in the canonical Greek writings of the first to early second centuries--and/or in the more correct English translations from the Greek.

This statement is a bit confusing. If it doesn't say in the Bible that there is no hell then how come Christians believe in hell then?

This is because the concept of 'hell' as you are talking about here--which, by the way, is basically non-Jewish and had little carry over, even among first century Christians/Essenes--is pre-second Temple Judaism and Christianity. This basic concept can be traced back, primarily, to Zoroastrianism (Persian).

Hell in Japanese is 地獄。Jigoku. Go to hell in Japanese is 地獄に落ちる。Literally translates to fall in hell. People in hell being the worst stage of the 6 stages. One below hungry ghosts.

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/oni-demons.shtml

This is urban ledgend aided by Kabalaistic overkill.

Other figures who share the same parallels as Jesus.

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Mithra, of Persia, had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected.

Buddha born from a virgin mother Maya just as Jesus was born of a virgin mother Mary.

[centrajapan]

I can believe that the world's very rich (from any country) probably help each other in different ways that we citizens don't always know about.

That is what I believe too. Fullford who used to work for Forbes magazine and wrtiten various books on Japan and an "expert" on secret societies both western and Asian has this to say about Illmunati.

First the Illuminati are really inbred families of European and North American traditional aristocracy and banking families. They control the U.S., England, Europe (except for Scandinavian countries, Germany and Italy; Italy kicked them out in the 1970's),Japan, Africa, Iran, Canada and Mexico. They do not control China, Russia.

Their goal is to create a world government. Until 2 years ago the plan was the New World Order. That was outlined pretty clearly in the Project for a New American Century. However, with the debacle in Iraq, the secret government of the West changed to a new plan that is a world government based on the EU.

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

[Pachipro]

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." - J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI

David Rockefeller said in his Memoirs,

"Some even believe we are a part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it."

“We are grateful to the The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose publishers have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is preferable to the National auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” - David Rockefeller, in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting, 1991.

In discussing anything about a conspiracy for a New World Order (NWO) one must take into account "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" written about 100 years ago. Some say it is all a fabrication and a bunch of lies aimed at putting all the ills of the earth at the feet of the Jewish people or Zionists. However, once reading the Protocols (and I mean reading them all!) and doing some research, one cannot help but come to the conclusion that there is alot of truth in what was written and perported to be based on ancient documents going back to the time of the Bible and maybe before then! Just look at the world around you today and you will see alot of truth in what was written and planned back then.
Even if it was a fabrication made to discredit the Jews and one puts that aside and inserts any other name or race it is happening before our very eyes. Is it a coincidence that it is families with Jewish names or ancestry that completely run the financial institutions, Hollywood, and many of the governments of the world today along those Zionists that are completely sympathetic, or sucked in, to the cause of the Jewish state? Look at the names, Bloomberg, Lehman Brothers, Goldwin Mayer, Warner Bros., Murdoch, Rockefeller, Rothschild, The House of Windsor, Carnegie, etc., etc. Even Hillary Clinton said a couple of years ago that she had Jewish roots. Ben Bernake, the director of Homeland security has duel citizenship of both the US and Israel! Why? Don't believe the names above? Check it out and you too will discover the truth.

Who runs the educational systems today and who started them? Who runs the newspapers, TV and other media? Who controls the major financial institutions of the world and Central Banks? We are told what they want they want us to hear and we are taught a false history based on what they want us to believe in fact when it could never be further from the truth. But the masses, as is hoped, believe them.

The full text of the Protocols.

Here is a Readers Digest version of the Protocols and I will highlight some below.

On Politics:

"Having used this freedom-shibboleth,we shall erase that word from the lexicon; when we come into our kingdom. Freedom of the Press, of speech, of association and conscience must disappear forever . . We define freedom as the right to do that which the law allows; this serves our aim very well, for we shall make the laws!"

"For our purpose, wars must not result in territorial gain, the true battlefield will be the economic. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights".

"We need an intensified centralization of government to facilitate our control . . . We must so ferment things that the peoples of the world will eventually cry out for one global government. . . Useless changes of government to which we instigated the goyim in undermining their state structures will have so disheartened the people that they will suffer serfdom under us rather than go backward. . .
One-third of our subjects will keep the rest under observation from a sense of duty. . . The goyim are a flock of sheep and we are their wolves".

On Propaganda:

"Our aim must be to debilitate the public mind by continually fomenting contradictory opinions and thus distract it from serious reflections which might cause resistance to our aims. . . Let the goyim be bewildered, for there is nothing so dangerous as personal initiative!"

"So that the true meaning of things shall not strike the goyim until the proper time, we shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes. . If any States raise a protest against us, it is only pro forma and by our direction, for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren".

"The Press is already in our hands. Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. This we have already attained in large part through our control of those agencies by which all news items must pass. . . We shall put out our own journals, disguised as coming from elsewhere so that readers will in effect be following the flag we hang out for them; these will even be allowed to feign attacks on us, to convince people they are reading a free press.... Let them discuss themselves silly!"

"Distraction is one of our principal aims - through amusements gambling and games of all kinds. . . have we not very successfully turned the brainless heads of the goyim with 'progress' a fallacious idea except in terms of material invention, for truth is one and there can be no place in it for progress? "Progress" serves to obscure the truth so that none may know it except ourselves, the Chosen of God, its guardians".

On Education:

"We have bemused and corrupted the youth of the goyim by rearing them in principles and theories we know to be false".

"To destroy every collectivism except ours, we shall emasculate the universities. . . banning classical history and erasing from the memory of the goyim all historical facts unfavorable to us".

"To discourage independent thinking, our subjects will be schooled only for the occupations allotted to them. . . Students shall not busy themselves with questions of polity in which even their own fathers never had any power of thought".

"We shall choose goy administrators on their capacity for servile obedience".

On Free Masonry:

"Ours is an invisible force, for which Gentile Freemasonry unknowingly serves as a screen. . . The aims of our organization of secret masonry are not even suspected by these goy cattle attracted to it".

"We shall multiply Masonic Lodges as a means of gathering under our eye all those goyim who (promise to become prominent in public activity), particularly all agents of international police, for these are useful both to enforce and to screen our activity. We puff up their foolish egotism, their need for any little success, in order to keep them in line, for these tigers in appearance have the souls of sheep . . . They are incapable of the analysis and observation required for foresight, hence the inevitable subjection to ours of the brute mind of the goyim".

"Who will ever suspect that all these people have been stage managed by us according to a political plan which no one has guessed at these many centuries?"

On Economics:

"Capital must be free to establish monopolies so that its leaders shall have political force".

"By centralizing in our own hands the money-power of the world, we can throw all goyim into the ranks of the proletariat . . The goy aristocracy benefited by having their people healthy and strong, we are interested in just the opposite".

"Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker. By want and envy and the hatred it engenders we shall move the mob. . . This hatred will be further magnified by the effect of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the changes and bring industry to a standstill. By creating this crisis we shall throw upon the street whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe".

"We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists, bankers and millionaires, because in substance everything will be settled on the basis of figures".

"We must tear out of goyim heads the very principle of Godhead, replacing it with arithmetical calculation and material needs . . . We must put industry on a speculative basis, for in that is our strength".

"Economic crises have been produced by us through the goyim by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation. Huge pools of capital have stagnated, forcing States to borrow from them and thus become their bond-slaves. . . in twenty years, a State which has borrowed money at 5% has paid the whole sum in interest without reducing the debt. . . The State is thus forced to impoverish its masses in order to pay off rich foreigners. Why could those stupid goyim not have taken the money they needed from their own people".

"Goy governments could play tricks with internal loans but not the external, for they know that we shall demand all our money back".

(Wow! If a "Russian religious mystic" so long ago could show this good a grasp of money matters, maybe we should try to get one for our next Minister of Finance!)

Anyone see a similarity to what is happening in the world, especially the US, today? Remember, their timeline is infinite and it is done by incrementalism where no one hardly knows it is happening until it is too late. Coincidence? I do not believe in coincidence as ancient Chinese philosophy dictates.

If everything proceeds on schedule, and the people remain asleep, the US Economy will be dead within a year or two. All illegal aliens (some 20 million) will be granted amnesty. The dollar will be worthless, 6 million people will lose their homes, there will be a new American currencey called the "Amero" and there will be calls for the uniting of Canada, America, and Mexico and oil will be at $150/barrel or more.

[Sukotto]

Originally Posted by centrajapan

That is what I believe too. Fullford who used to work for Forbes magazine and wrtiten various books on Japan and an "expert" on secret societies both western and Asian has this to say about Illmunati.
http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

one world gov't or many, the wealthy (relative) few are happy with whatever political and legal structure(s) allow themselves (and maybe their posterity) to keep being wealthy. Which is why polls taken of corporate types have shown they don't mind, even like doing business in ("third world") dictatorships because they are "stable". Which might be why we hardly ever see much of a difference between the 2 major pol parties in US politics




Also, William Blum author of "Killing Hope" about CIA & military interventions just wrote a bit about conspiracies in his monthly e-newsletter. Last section:
Once is an accident; twice is a coincidence; three times is a conspiracy.
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/aer52.htm

[centrajapan]

We do not have freedom of speech and a free press but live under the illusion that we have free press. All the main media channels and new agencies are owned b the same group of people. Rothschilds owns Associate Press, Reuteurs. The biggest media in US is owned by the rich elite.

One of the things we often say is the media is biased. All media is biased. It seves to promote your interest. CNN, Fox serves to promote US interest. Reuteurs Rothchild´s interests.

When all the major media channels are owned by the same type of people we constantly get biased news. Since most of us especially in US only gets acces to biased news on TV we then start to believe the biased news not to be biased.

Freedom of press is within the frameworks of what the owners allow.