No one have to die(immortality is your life's potential)

[toru]

<<To say "The God created the world" is an anomaly.>>
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Truth-1:
The Atoms that make and keep this world
exist are forever active immortality.

Truth-2:
Your BODY made of immortal Atoms does not
have to die (decay).

Truth-3:
Your gifted awareness does not want to die.

Truth-4:
Your gifted awareness was able to detect
what is Good(Just,fair) or Bad(Unjust,unfair)
at the first place.

Truth-5:
As no one's death prove still existing ones to die.
it is not knowable to yourself when, how or even
if you are to die, despite you can ASSUME and
BELIEVE that you are to die.

Truth-6:
To believe yourself is to die despite of the
gifted awareness does not want to die, is to
disrespect the giver of the awareness as such
cruel being.

Truth-7:
It is a possibility that death is the result of
the belief(the disrespect to the giver) to die.
Truth-8:
It is a possibility that you could be a not-dying
not-aging one by keeping yourself in the Just(Good,Fair).


As the one is
As the one does
As the Atoms are
Happy to exist
With the one
As ONE

As The Atoms are Immortal
The one for the Atoms
The one of the Atoms
Never dies forever
As ONE with the Atoms


It is a possibility that immortality is your
potential as Atoms are immortal.
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<<To say "The God created the world" is an anomaly.>>

The atoms exists by the Force that keeps electrons from the
nuclei. Nothing can exist without the Force that separate and
keeps the electrons away from the nuclei. The Force is of the
present moment forever keeping the electrons from the nuclei
to keep the world to exist as knowable fact as it is.

I would call what excerpt the Force the God.
I would call the Force the Love of the God.
I would call the one whole world the God's Body.


To say "The God CREATED the world" is an anomaly.
Also, to say "The God HAS CREATED the world" is
potentially misleading anomaly.

The world can not exist without the God's present Force.
The God did not create the world and left to it alone, but
*the God is creating and keeping the world of the Reality
to Exist as the fact forever as the present moment NOW.

(*The Atoms are the Parts of the God to do so. It could be
said that The Atoms are the physical being of the God.)


The Reality Exists only as the present moment as NOW.
The moment before is past that no longer exist.
The moment later is future not yet to exist.

The world is made of the never dying immortal Atoms.
Our body is also made of the immortal Atoms. As the body is
made of the Atoms it(body) does not have to die(decay).


A person is An individual Awareness gifted within a body granted
with the use of the body. The awareness is a phenomenon of the
chemistry of the physical body so that can not exist without the
physical body. A death is the permanent loss of the awareness.
The state of death one can experience as dreamless sleep, total
lack of awareness.


To my sense, the fact the gifted life does not want to die suggest
that one does not have to die. Also the fact the gifted awareness
knew that what is just or unjust at first place suggest that one
is not suppose to die. The both facts suggest that death is not
the God 's wish in giving us the chance to exists. I would conclude
that:

One does not have to die.
We are not supposed to die.
The death never was the God's wish.

Yet,one dies. We must think why one die.


Please look at the thread I would post later titled:
"What to do with unreasonable government?"
for some of the answers.
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[Mars Man]

Originally Posted by toru

Truth-1:
The Atom that make and keep this world
exist is forever active immortality.

With this premise being shown to be false, the logic matrix breaks down, and thus leads to the result, FALSE

In order to correct that, you must show that a single atom makes up the entire universe, and you must disprove atomic life-span/decay.

I would hope you'd be willing to look into that more carefully, and respond with your research here. Also I see too much allocative allegorism here--coincidence can be a nice thing to play on, yes, but to show any reality behind it is totally a different thing. I hope to hear from you on your points.

[toru]

Dear Mars Man,
I have made the Atom to plural the Atoms
hoping it would then be possible the world
can exist?

Those heavy radio active Atoms may decay in
enormous time spans but it never means all the
Atoms going to decay.

"allocative allegorism" ? Are there so many of them? What is it
the "allocative allegorism"? Would you please point out exactly
which they are for me?

"coincidence can be a nice thing to play on"? Is it?
What is the coincidence you are pointing at?
Would you please point that out for me also?

"to show any reality behind it is totally a different thing" Is it?
What reality? Different thing from what? Sorry but I can't
get grip on what you say.

Any-how, I thank you for your attention.

[Mars Man]

Thanks for your response, toru san. First of the allocative allegorism concept.

In that you are most obviously projecting Abrahamic belief-system concepts onto terms of scientific notation by the use of the word "God"--especially as that capitalized word had very early on become bias in the English language due to Christian influence, and thus now (in the English speaking world) carries such 'baggage'--and perhaps less intentionally on the word "Atom" by capitalizing it too, you are allocating an allegory to the scientific terms atom and charge, atomic build, state and being...all the way up to the homo sapien.

To demand that not all atoms decay or die, is to demand an open universe. Well, it may be even more slightly possible than a closed model, but to dogmatically fix that, and then upon that build a religious belief-system-like doctrine, is another thing altogether.

I could be mistaken, I never set aside my honesty, therefore to test my perceived view, I'd like to ask you just why you have capitalize the words atom and god. I have noticed that your conclusions, in part, in your follow-up thread, are very heavily laid on this first logic matrix's being factually correct--a representative of reality (if you will). This only seems to reinforce that initial perception.

There are other points in the OP which can be tested and shown to far more likely be false, but for now, one at a time. I'd hope you would answer the immediately above question in some detail, please.

[toru]

Dear Mars Man,

--->"In that you are most obviously projecting
Abrahamic belief-system concepts onto terms of
scientific notation by the use of the word
"God"--especially as that capitalized word had
very early on become bias in the English
language due to Christian influence, and thus
now (in the English speaking world) carries
such 'baggage'--and perhaps less intentionally
on the word "Atom" by capitalizing it too, you
are allocating an allegory to the scientific
terms atom and charge, atomic build, state and
being...all the way up to the homo sapien"<---.

These are what you say but I never mentioned
of such. I defined that what I call the God or
the Atoms according to how I describe of this
world of existence.

--->"To demand....,is to demand an open
universe." <--- This also what you say but is it
correct? I never demanded anything of such.
You can't demand the Atoms to do or not to do,
can you? I simply stated the fact that radio
active Atoms may decay but not all the Atoms
are decaying.

I have capitalized the God and the Atoms for
simple reason to emphasize the importance of
the named concepts as I did the same to the
other capitalized words.

Could you tell me why you make such
allegation of "false" over my efforts without
pointing out exactly what you calling false?
The word false have meaning of intentional
pretense to deceive or mislead that I never
allow myself to do.

[uchimizu]

Let's make this long story short: we have to die to make room for our children. I sincerely hope there is life after death, as anyways, believing is the best option, whether it exists or not.