Discrimination / Racism In Japan

[Kyoto Returnee]

Do you think it exists?

In what form?

Have you experienced, seen it?

All comments please..

[Astroboy]

Maybe ... Gay as you said? Or Korean-Japanese? Or .... Ainu tribe ... or ... my imagination is getting worse these days.

Instead of discrimination/racism, Teasing at school class is more issue in Japan, I think.

[nice gaijin]

Originally Posted by Kyoto Returnee

Do you think it exists?

In what form?

Have you experienced, seen it?

All comments please..

You might want to be a smidge more specific.

[Astroboy]

We don't have Indian cricketers here. All foreign sport athele looks fine, I think.

[centrajapan]

I dont like Rhodes for Orix. He is a good baseball player but his attitude reeks. The way he punched Satozaki even though he wasnt hit by a pitch. Uncool. He should let the bat do the talking.

[Astroboy]

So far, unlike Australia, we don't need to put people into transparent cage in Japan.



Aboligine seems to be treated as caged animals by the White Australian Gov. Shall we liberate them?

[Astroboy]

I think we "Japanese" must learn how to discriminate on race from "racism advanced country - Auatralia".

The Great White Flood: Racism in Australia
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/...A240_SH20_.jpg

Kyoto Returnee must be a professor, majoring "racisim".

So please teach us How To Implement Racism in Japan.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Originally Posted by Astroboy

Teasing at school class is more issue in Japan, I think.

That's a good point.

[pipokun]

Japanese News & Hot Topics

It must be a horrible discrimination when I do not bother to use the search function here and my new thread is deleted.

[Astroboy]

Originally Posted by Kyoto Returnee

That's a good point.

Although I am working for you to find out racism in Japan, my research result is not well.

However, it was very easy to find out YOUR racism in Australia.

Australian prime minister gives the nod to anti-Muslim racism.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/no...nile-n29.shtml

The Rise of Islamophobia in ‘White Australia’
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=1485

So...in order to justify YOUR racism, are you looking around something in Japan?

[Kyoto Returnee]

Originally Posted by Astroboy

Although I am working for you to find out racism in Japan, my research result is not well.

However, it was very easy to find out YOUR racism in Australia.

Australian prime minister gives the nod to anti-Muslim racism.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/no...nile-n29.shtml

The Rise of Islamophobia in ‘White Australia’
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=1485

So...in order to justify YOUR racism, are you looking around something in Japan?

The Muslim thing is something a little "different" I would imagine, due to specific reasons in many countires around the world including Japan.

Please note, the thread is in regards to Racism and discrimination in Japan, after all, this is a Japan forum.

[Astroboy]

I was not interested in Australia, but becoming more interested.

Australia must be an interesting country.

Australia silent on UN racism committee condemnation
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Australi...e_condemnation

Life in Australia must be tough....

[Kyoto Returnee]

Originally Posted by Astroboy

I was not interested in Australia, but becoming more interested.

Australia must be an interesting country.

Australia silent on UN racism committee condemnation
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Australi...e_condemnation

Life in Australia must be tough....

Please note, the thread is in regards to Racism and discrimination in Japan, after all, this is a Japan forum.

As a side note, you may be interested in relations between Japan and Australia which I am well informed could not be better.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/australia/index.html

[Dutch Baka]

Back to the topic Astroboy! And that is not about Australia... posts deleted.

[hanachan]

Kyoto Returnee,
How was your everydaylife in Japan? Have you experienced discrimination / racism on you?
In my opinion, Japan is not so bad place rather comfortable to live for foreigners.
However you think Discrimination or Racism exits in Japan. (If you don't think so, you give your thread another title.)
First, I want to hear from you your opinion about Discrimination / Racism in Japan.
I think nice gaijin also found something, so he advised you. He is right.

[Kyoto Returnee]

Originally Posted by hanachan

Kyoto Returnee,
How was your everydaylife in Japan? Have you experienced discrimination / racism on you?
In my opinion, Japan is not so bad place rather comfortable to live for foreigners.
However you think Discrimination or Racism exits in Japan. (If you don't think so, you give your thread another title.)
First, I want to hear from you your opinion about Discrimination / Racism in Japan.
I think nice gaijin also found something, so he advised you. He is right.

Gaijin advise me? (Please elaborate)

Hi Hana-chan:

My everyday life in Japan was fun, exciting and busy. A REAL culture shock in the beginning!

I have a lot of non Japanese friends who left as they could not handle many aspects of daily life, and other's who cracked it with a smile.

I often think for non Japanese, Japan is a difficutly country to live in and their are many issues to overcome.

I believe that if you can overcome these within two years in Japan, you are fine. I am definitely the later and can see the funny side of things.

Discrimination does exist as I have seen and experienced first hand, both on a personal level and also from the outside looking in.

Please note, I am not comparing other countries but simply focussing on Japan here as this is where my wife, I and son plan to settle well into the future.

I could write a book on discrimination, although I won't LOL..

I have said in previous threads, myself and American colleague once completed a Japanese to English translation booklet on the subject of discrmination for a local government, so it is definitely no secret that discrimination exists.

Let's not forget, Japan was a closed country for a long time, and it has it's own culture which is a great thing as many countries around the world have lost or are lossing their's, namely, Thailand comes to mind.. Lived, worked and travelled extensively throughout, 28 times, loads of preofessional friends over their..

I think I m correct here in saying that Japan has it's own source/ways/styles of discrimination for it's own people, which I can presume was fine back then as it was simply the Japanese way, similar to white South African's during apartheid.. I could never understand how they hated blacks so much, although I guess if you gow up and your Mummy and Daddy teach you to eat insects, it will be "normal" for you.. Hope you understand where I am coming from here..

The discrimination in Japan concerning my personal self, never really worried me to the extent where I would go home at night and cry on my pillow..

I could/can definitely see the funny and serious sides from all angles so It's fine for me. It does however affect a lot of people including Japanese.

Having said all the above, the only real concerns I now have is returning with our little darling, who is mixed Japanese/Australian and he will NEED to grow up In Japan, although definitely with the full support of his Daddy

What will the future hold for him in Japan?

It really is the unknown and is a daily topic of discussion on my part to my wife, although I definitely seem a lot more concerned than she does..

I was reading a thread about a foreign guy in Japan being discriminated against in Japan by a group of Japanese leaving him out of the group.

Another thread about a non Japanese office worker being left out, etc.

The fact is, Japanese do discriminate.. Sabetsu

It tends to be Taboo in Japan, I know, but I can tell you, I once brought up the subject in a seniro class of 12 students, 60's and over and it was the best thing I ever did, including English communication. We stayed on topic for weeks.

I went against the advice of the Japanese office staff on the above.

I would love to hear some un-bias views from Japanese people themselves on the issue within the thread..

I hope this answers your queries..

[caster51]

It tends to be Taboo in Japan, I know, but I can tell you, I once brought up the subject in a seniro class of 12 students, 60's and over and it was the best thing I ever did, including English communication. We stayed on topic for weeks.

I went against the advice of the Japanese office staff on the above.

I would love to hear some un-bias views from Japanese people themselves on the issue within the thread..

i think they endured it .

you should discuss the Racism In Australia

i think it is more interesting

[Kyoto Returnee]

Originally Posted by caster51

you should discuss the Racism In Australia

i think it is more interesting

Hello caster51:

I appreciate you telling me that I should discuss racism in Australia but this is a Japan forum ya..

If you are interested in racism in Australia, maybe search for an Australia forum and post the pointed discussion thread.

I don't know anything about racism in Australia as the whole country is multi cultural, and was built that way.

We once had a racist politician, although she didn't last long for obvious reasons..

A small percentage of Australian Aboriginies tend to dislike Europeans for obvious reasons, and I do not blame them, but that's more history now..

Beyond that, it's difficult to find, although if you wanted to go out of your way and look for it in certain groups, you may find it.

You have to remember that Australia is a very new country and is still gaining it's own culture..

It's also one of the most highly successful countries in the world for multi cultures with no infighting, besides the odd case..

I may also point out, that we have laws here which prohibit racism and discrimination on all levels, inclduing shape and form.

Is that the same in Japan?

Why don't you ask some questions and make some suggestions regarding racism in Japan?

Do you think it exists?

In what form, etc.

[turujirou]

racism is uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuber high in japan. i think just the word gaijin is racist, we dont have words like that in countries like australia,UK, AMerica etc.

[caster51]

we dont have words like that in countries like australia,UK, AMerica etc.

foreigner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[MadamePapillon]

You just made my night

[nice gaijin]

turujirou, from pretty much all of your posts so far, you seem embittered by your perception of discrimination in Japan, and have used it as an excuse to speak in uninformed, general terms. If you have a specific experience you would like to share that might shed some light on the subject at hand, feel free. If not, I recommend you stick to other topics.

caster51, you are being petty by trying to deflect the subject. Discrimination exists in Japan just as it does in every other country, but this thread is not about every other country. Does it make you uncomfortable to discuss discrimination in your own country?

[Kyoto Returnee]

I like the way you put that Nice Gaijin.

I wonder why the below can't actually discuss it as it does exist in most places around the world..

It's fairly obvious I would think that it targets "foreigners" in Japan, and anybody who doesn't think it is their, would surely be naive.

I guess another problem in Japan is that wehn they target a certain race of foreigner by discriminating with signs, etc., are they simply putting the word "Foreigner" because possibly if they were to put the exact race, they think it may be discriminating that exact race..

Then we have the issues of all foreigners are foreigners in Japan, Chinese, Australian, Mongolian, Frence, US, etc. so we all tend to feel as one.

I wonder if that stems from coming from multi-cultural countries and backgrounds..

Like I said, I believe discrimination and racism in Japan is definitely part of the culture, or at least WAS, and will die eventually once the country slowly internationalizes and the old ways die out..

I had some mates from South Africa who were in the army during apartheid..

It was very standard for them during this time to re-load and take aim without thinking much of it..

They simply hated black's which I could never understand..

I guess if you are brought up in a country culture, or family culture and taught that certain things are "normal", this is how you will grow up to think..

I often wonder if you brought a newborn child up in the middle of a jungle, and let it constantly play with let's say monkeys. would it grow up to imitate them, etc.

[Mars Man]

Originally Posted by Kyoto Returnee

I often wonder if you brought a newborn child up in the middle of a jungle, and let it constantly play with let's say monkeys. would it grow up to imitate them, etc.

This is a good point, which, in fact, because the answer is 'yes'--to a degree it would happen--and just supports the concept that we are simply talking about in .vs. out grouping here...there is, as such, no other referent in nature for the term 'race'...and in my opinion, should not be used any more. Why is that so? Because of the continuum that all life forms are, and all branches, breeds, and descent lines thereof.

What we are, most realistically, doing here, is talking about strong in-bonding at the cost of greater disassociation of groups and/or ethnic descent groups, and the state of such in Japan today.

[Chi65]

And in general, still some parts with original islander mentalities, wellknown, even, if like the UK, all over the world for ages. . .this has advantages as well as walls. . .in the heads.

A certain shizophrenia too, because on one side, they wanna play the game with everybody, on the other side, they wanna be the rulers of the game, and that does not work all the time and with everyone.

Its like children in certain phases, they also can be as rude then.

In a way, they adapted too much first, according to old chinese(!) traditions, then they became unsure about who they really were (understandable!), and it swings back in such a case. . .Japanese history is full of such (psychological) examples.
One has to learn to be both, oneself and a part of something bigger.
I suppose, in times of bigger families and stronger support from this, it was a lesser problem in general, for many of us too, all over.

Its also a sign of our time.

By the way, we have similar problems with our former DDR people, still!
In so many ways, its stunning! Guess, how often they wanted the wall back, no joke! And the still growing attacks against foreigners. . .while others connect even more, which makes the frightened ones even more unsure and agressive etc. But the connectors will "get it" in the end, not the others. Old rules.