Saddam CAPTURED !!!!!

**Uncle Frank** · Dec 14, 2003, 23:02

Bush & Blair get a good Xmas present !!!! The rest of us will have to listen to the news about it non-stop till something else exciting happens.

Frank

SacredBlue · Dec 14, 2003, 23:17

GO USA!!!!

Now he can go to our prison and make good friends with all the well-built African Males

Porl · Dec 15, 2003, 00:42

I saw this on the news earlier.. Supposedly he was wearing a fake beard!!!

..i think my imagination about the fake beard makes it funnier than it actually is.......but what the hey!! ..

Porl''

SacredBlue · Dec 15, 2003, 00:45

I don't think it was fake...If I were the troops I'd make sure they didn't capture Santa Clause instead

Well...We got Michael Jackson and Saddam...Now we just need to capture Osama and Bush, right?

*Waits for government agents to investigate Japan Reference*

Shadow · Dec 15, 2003, 01:36

Originally posted by SacredBlue

Well...We got Michael Jackson and Saddam...Now we just need to capture Osama and Bush, right?
*Waits for government agents to investigate Japan Reference*

lol

just *hope* there'll be lesser insurgent attacks after Saddam's capture....

senseiman · Dec 15, 2003, 11:28

I don't think it'll have much effect on the war though. Saddam didn't have a radio or anything so he wasn't organizing the attacks. They said after his sons were killed the insurgency would die down, but it only increased. On the one hand, it'll probably discourage some of Saddam's followers. On the other hand, it'll probably encourage revenge attacks. Plus people who had passively accepted the occupation for fear that Saddam would return no longer have to worry about that.

kirei_na_me · Dec 15, 2003, 21:50

That's what I'm thinking. That his capture will generate more attacks out of revenge. The whole situation is just maddening to me. I don't even want to get started... *sigh*

Shidenkai · Dec 16, 2003, 00:11

Yeah! Now kill the Syria and the Iran!!!

Shadow · Dec 16, 2003, 00:50

Yeah, true true... Altho the capture of Saddam doesn't really mean much; it sure does send a strong political message out to the world.

As you were saying, it may trigger more revenge attacks since many consider the videoclip of Saddam being examined by doctors as an insult to the Arab world. However, hopefully Saddam's arrest may lead to more arrests (link) of leaders who are planning out attacks....

Only time will tell.....

den4 · Dec 16, 2003, 07:46

Well, we need to find Mr. Time Mizer and see if he can't get Mr. Heat Mizer and Freeze Mizer to go to the Middle-East and see if they can't bring the non-denominational Holiday season of peace and goodwill to men (and women and children and life in general)

but for the radical terrorists, they really don't care about which country does what to each other as long as chaos and terror reigns...but that's the way it is...

deborah gormley · Dec 16, 2003, 09:34

@den4.
I know your right but we all live in hope and wish that harmony can be restored to the planet if thats the right political statement for our time. a world without torture and rule is what we are all after,, but at what price... this answer has yet to be given by any parliment,regime or, division or fraction of life,, so what are we pre-pared to surrender to acheive this goal? maybe its just my Nr. Irish connections ect,, that makes me feel that nothing is free??? or possibly I"m just parionoid...
Saddam has been captured ect, executed this man and he will be a martyr... assign him to a life in prisonment and he is a deadecatied soilder.... I know which title the world would appreciate,,,

martyrs cause up-riseings

senseiman · Dec 16, 2003, 13:03

I was just reading an article in the Guardian which said that Saddam's capture is likely to benefit the rebellion against the occupation more than harm it. Saddam's continued existance had probably been preventing a lot of people, including the Shiites from fighting the occupation. Now that Saddam is out of the way, the Bathist factions in the resistance will likely loose stature and allow for a more broadly-based nationalist leadership to take control of the insurgency. This would be seen as much more legitimate in the eyes of those Iraqis who had previously seen the insurgents as tools of Saddam.

The partying and back-patting in Washington may turn out to be short lived after all.

Elizabeth · Dec 16, 2003, 21:38

Originally posted by senseiman
I was just reading an article in the Guardian which said that Saddam's capture is likely to benefit the rebellion against the occupation more than harm it. Saddam's continued existance had probably been preventing a lot of people, including the Shiites from fighting the occupation. Now that Saddam is out of the way, the Bathist factions in the resistance will likely loose stature and allow for a more broadly-based nationalist leadership to take control of the insurgency. This would be seen as much more legitimate in the eyes of those Iraqis who had previously seen the insurgents as tools of Saddam.

The partying and back-patting in Washington may turn out to be short lived after all.

Did they contrast this against a scenario in which governing coalition gives a perfunctory search for Saddam, takes the calculated risk to try and keep the insurgency centered around him (even though from what I understand international terrorist groups had become a more central concern even before his capture), schedule a date for national elections, cut their losses and start pulling out?

**Uncle Frank** · Dec 17, 2003, 02:14

They should have left him in the hole with nothing but a roll of toilet paper, and established a village outhouse over the top.

FILL ER UP PLEASE !!!!!!

Frank

noyhauser · Dec 17, 2003, 03:17

I think its WAAAAAAAY too early to calculate the effects of saddam's capture, or its affect on the Presidential race in the US. Someone ask me in Februraryand then maybe I could give a prediction, but anything right now is pure speculation. I think saddam's capture came too late from preventing more violence from spreading, but I disagree that it will cause more violence. The south and north have been very quiet and I doubt the Shias and the Kurds have now more reason to rebel. The Sunnis in the central region probably have insitutionalized resistance, going from pro bathist to anti american in their views.
What I am wondering about is how the capture will affect wider society. If less of wider society doesn't support the movement then there will be less places that insurgents can utilize to gain support. ITs all too early to predict if that will happen. Furthermore the elections are 11 months away, and saddam's capture will be forgotten if they have a beirut style bombing. If there are less attacks then Bush will probably win. What the Democrats have to do is put their chips on the table. Kerry has to get his head out of his #@$ and Sit up and say a clear policy, a moderate policy that can attract as many voters from the public. Democrats know that Dean is completely unelectable in southern states, as much as he is trying to cosy up to the far right. His only strengths are his radical proposals which get most of the odd prephery states and the traditional democratic base of minorities. He has to say he does not support the war in iraq and hope the situation goes his way. Another reason why you shouldn;t predict until Februrary is to see what the retail figures from the 3rd quarter are... bad and the economy is going to tank. Good and there is probably a prospect of a recovery. The current recovery in the US is due to macroeconomic spending by the Government, primary in the defence sector and the tax cuts. That does not mean its a recovery per say. If it does inspire growth, then it will have worked, if it doesn't then the economy is going to be in a bad shape. This christmas season will tell you how it will go. Wait till february.

deborah gormley · Dec 17, 2003, 09:05

so what to do with Sadam??????

I know what I would do!!!!

senseiman · Dec 17, 2003, 11:39

yeah, but most of the Shiites have only been putting up with the US occupation in the hopes that they will reap some sort of political power windfall from it. I don't think that the US is going to allow them take over the country, and at some point they will have to decide whether to settle for whatever the Americans are willing to give them, or throw their lot in with the resistance. Politically speaking, with Saddam out of the way it would make it much easier to rationalize supporting the resistance against the Americans than it would have been if Saddam was still at large.

**Iron Chef** · Dec 17, 2003, 13:16

"Well, we need to find Mr. Time Mizer and see if he can't get Mr. Heat Mizer and Freeze Mizer..."

LOL, Heat Mizer... that brings back Holiday memories of when I was growing up, heh.

Dec 20, 2003, 20:55

Originally posted by deborah gormley
so what to do with Sadam??????
I know what I would do!!!!

Trap him in a cage! And get a stampede of rats to bite his toes away!!!! MwahahHAHAHAAAA!!

Dec 14, 2003, 23:02	#1
Uncle Frank You SPAM/We BAN ! Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: State of Maine Age: 59 Posts: 6,715	Saddam CAPTURED !!!!! Bush & Blair get a good Xmas present !!!! The rest of us will have to listen to the news about it non-stop till something else exciting happens. Frank

Dec 14, 2003, 23:17	#2
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	GO USA!!!! Now he can go to our prison and make good friends with all the well-built African Males Last edited by SacredBlue; Dec 15, 2003 at 00:47.

Dec 15, 2003, 01:36	#5
Shadow Bored working guy Join Date: Mar 28, 2003 Location: Toronto Age: 30 Posts: 145	Originally posted by SacredBlue Well...We got Michael Jackson and Saddam...Now we just need to capture Osama and Bush, right? Waits for government agents to investigate Japan Reference lol just hope there'll be lesser insurgent attacks after Saddam's capture.... __________________ "If meaning lies with having met someone and not in meeting them, then what is the meaning of having met them?" --Soma--

Dec 15, 2003, 11:28	#6
senseiman Regular Member Join Date: Jun 24, 2003 Location: canadian Age: 33 Posts: 801	I don't think it'll have much effect on the war though. Saddam didn't have a radio or anything so he wasn't organizing the attacks. They said after his sons were killed the insurgency would die down, but it only increased. On the one hand, it'll probably discourage some of Saddam's followers. On the other hand, it'll probably encourage revenge attacks. Plus people who had passively accepted the occupation for fear that Saddam would return no longer have to worry about that. __________________ 祇園精舎の鐘の聲、諸行無常の響あり。娑羅雙樹の花の色、盛者必衰のことわりをあらはす。おごれる人も久しからず、唯春の夜の夢のごとし。たけき者も遂にほろびぬ、偏に風の前の塵に同じ。

Dec 15, 2003, 21:50	#7
kirei_na_me Where I'm Supposed to Be Join Date: Jan 31, 2003 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 3,922	That's what I'm thinking. That his capture will generate more attacks out of revenge. The whole situation is just maddening to me. I don't even want to get started... sigh __________________ *i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)*

Dec 15, 2003, 00:42	#3
Porl Monkey Shogun Join Date: Nov 19, 2003 Location: England Age: 30 Posts: 268	I saw this on the news earlier.. Supposedly he was wearing a fake beard!!! ..i think my imagination about the fake beard makes it funnier than it actually is.......but what the hey!! .. Porl''

Dec 15, 2003, 00:45	#4
SacredBlue Regular Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2003 Location: Well..I put the asian in Caucasian. Just kiddin! I'm a white kid from freezing Massachusetts. Posts: 214	I don't think it was fake...If I were the troops I'd make sure they didn't capture Santa Clause instead Well...We got Michael Jackson and Saddam...Now we just need to capture Osama and Bush, right? Waits for government agents to investigate Japan Reference

Dec 16, 2003, 00:11	#8
Shidenkai Nihon no yoru to kiri Join Date: Aug 24, 2003 Location: Ichnusa Posts: 126	Yeah! Now kill the Syria and the Iran!!! __________________ Il mare era piatto come uno specchio per volti di fanciulle... G. D'Annunzio

Dec 16, 2003, 00:50	#9
Shadow Bored working guy Join Date: Mar 28, 2003 Location: Toronto Age: 30 Posts: 145	Yeah, true true... Altho the capture of Saddam doesn't really mean much; it sure does send a strong political message out to the world. As you were saying, it may trigger more revenge attacks since many consider the videoclip of Saddam being examined by doctors as an insult to the Arab world. However, hopefully Saddam's arrest may lead to more arrests (link) of leaders who are planning out attacks.... Only time will tell.....

Dec 16, 2003, 07:46	#10
den4 Regular Member Join Date: Nov 15, 2002 Location: mushroom forest Posts: 1,215 Blog Entries: 3	Well, we need to find Mr. Time Mizer and see if he can't get Mr. Heat Mizer and Freeze Mizer to go to the Middle-East and see if they can't bring the non-denominational Holiday season of peace and goodwill to men (and women and children and life in general) but for the radical terrorists, they really don't care about which country does what to each other as long as chaos and terror reigns...but that's the way it is... __________________ I know nothing...except the answer is 42. You know more than I do.

Dec 16, 2003, 09:34	#11
deborah gormley Regular Member Join Date: Apr 19, 2002 Location: Nr. Ireland. Age: 40 Posts: 829	@den4. I know your right but we all live in hope and wish that harmony can be restored to the planet if thats the right political statement for our time. a world without torture and rule is what we are all after,, but at what price... this answer has yet to be given by any parliment,regime or, division or fraction of life,, so what are we pre-pared to surrender to acheive this goal? maybe its just my Nr. Irish connections ect,, that makes me feel that nothing is free??? or possibly I"m just parionoid... Saddam has been captured ect, executed this man and he will be a martyr... assign him to a life in prisonment and he is a deadecatied soilder.... I know which title the world would appreciate,,, martyrs cause up-riseings __________________ Debs

Dec 16, 2003, 13:03	#12
senseiman Regular Member Join Date: Jun 24, 2003 Location: canadian Age: 33 Posts: 801	I was just reading an article in the Guardian which said that Saddam's capture is likely to benefit the rebellion against the occupation more than harm it. Saddam's continued existance had probably been preventing a lot of people, including the Shiites from fighting the occupation. Now that Saddam is out of the way, the Bathist factions in the resistance will likely loose stature and allow for a more broadly-based nationalist leadership to take control of the insurgency. This would be seen as much more legitimate in the eyes of those Iraqis who had previously seen the insurgents as tools of Saddam. The partying and back-patting in Washington may turn out to be short lived after all.

Dec 16, 2003, 21:38	#13
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,509	Originally posted by senseiman I was just reading an article in the Guardian which said that Saddam's capture is likely to benefit the rebellion against the occupation more than harm it. Saddam's continued existance had probably been preventing a lot of people, including the Shiites from fighting the occupation. Now that Saddam is out of the way, the Bathist factions in the resistance will likely loose stature and allow for a more broadly-based nationalist leadership to take control of the insurgency. This would be seen as much more legitimate in the eyes of those Iraqis who had previously seen the insurgents as tools of Saddam. The partying and back-patting in Washington may turn out to be short lived after all. Did they contrast this against a scenario in which governing coalition gives a perfunctory search for Saddam, takes the calculated risk to try and keep the insurgency centered around him (even though from what I understand international terrorist groups had become a more central concern even before his capture), schedule a date for national elections, cut their losses and start pulling out? __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Dec 17, 2003, 02:14	#14
Uncle Frank You SPAM/We BAN ! Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: State of Maine Age: 59 Posts: 6,715	SHOULD'VE .......... They should have left him in the hole with nothing but a roll of toilet paper, and established a village outhouse over the top. FILL ER UP PLEASE !!!!!! Frank

Dec 17, 2003, 03:17	#15
noyhauser Regular Member Join Date: Feb 20, 2003 Age: 28 Posts: 361	I think its WAAAAAAAY too early to calculate the effects of saddam's capture, or its affect on the Presidential race in the US. Someone ask me in Februraryand then maybe I could give a prediction, but anything right now is pure speculation. I think saddam's capture came too late from preventing more violence from spreading, but I disagree that it will cause more violence. The south and north have been very quiet and I doubt the Shias and the Kurds have now more reason to rebel. The Sunnis in the central region probably have insitutionalized resistance, going from pro bathist to anti american in their views. What I am wondering about is how the capture will affect wider society. If less of wider society doesn't support the movement then there will be less places that insurgents can utilize to gain support. ITs all too early to predict if that will happen. Furthermore the elections are 11 months away, and saddam's capture will be forgotten if they have a beirut style bombing. If there are less attacks then Bush will probably win. What the Democrats have to do is put their chips on the table. Kerry has to get his head out of his #@$ and Sit up and say a clear policy, a moderate policy that can attract as many voters from the public. Democrats know that Dean is completely unelectable in southern states, as much as he is trying to cosy up to the far right. His only strengths are his radical proposals which get most of the odd prephery states and the traditional democratic base of minorities. He has to say he does not support the war in iraq and hope the situation goes his way. Another reason why you shouldn;t predict until Februrary is to see what the retail figures from the 3rd quarter are... bad and the economy is going to tank. Good and there is probably a prospect of a recovery. The current recovery in the US is due to macroeconomic spending by the Government, primary in the defence sector and the tax cuts. That does not mean its a recovery per say. If it does inspire growth, then it will have worked, if it doesn't then the economy is going to be in a bad shape. This christmas season will tell you how it will go. Wait till february.

Dec 17, 2003, 09:05	#16
deborah gormley Regular Member Join Date: Apr 19, 2002 Location: Nr. Ireland. Age: 40 Posts: 829	so what to do with Sadam?????? I know what I would do!!!!

Dec 17, 2003, 11:39	#17
senseiman Regular Member Join Date: Jun 24, 2003 Location: canadian Age: 33 Posts: 801	yeah, but most of the Shiites have only been putting up with the US occupation in the hopes that they will reap some sort of political power windfall from it. I don't think that the US is going to allow them take over the country, and at some point they will have to decide whether to settle for whatever the Americans are willing to give them, or throw their lot in with the resistance. Politically speaking, with Saddam out of the way it would make it much easier to rationalize supporting the resistance against the Americans than it would have been if Saddam was still at large.

Dec 17, 2003, 13:16	#18
Iron Chef Villain Join Date: Feb 26, 2003 Location: Fukuoka (current), Nagoya, Sapporo Age: 38 Posts: 1,962	"Well, we need to find Mr. Time Mizer and see if he can't get Mr. Heat Mizer and Freeze Mizer..." LOL, Heat Mizer... that brings back Holiday memories of when I was growing up, heh.

Dec 20, 2003, 20:55	#19
Neesh Guest Posts: n/a	Originally posted by deborah gormley so what to do with Sadam?????? I know what I would do!!!! Trap him in a cage! And get a stampede of rats to bite his toes away!!!! MwahahHAHAHAAAA!!

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