Online Racism and South Africa

little_plantinga · Feb 1, 2004, 15:45

I believe it's important for all groups in South Africa to work out a compromise and try to live in peace. Yes, it is possible. No, I am not the only one to believe so. You don't want to end up like a boy in America named Scott, who lives in Seattle and who posts vile messages full of hatred toward Blacks. He posts as "Max Power" and as "little_oswald" in various forums. He is 25 and lives with his parents, and pretends to be an "engineer" online.

Here is a sample of his writing:

"[Michael] Moore then goes off into the deep recesses of outer space when he claims that, as a result of slavery, blacks had their 'language and culture and religion' taken away from them. Newsflash Mike -- spear-chucking, cannibalism, witchcraft and 'ooga-booga' hardly qualify as 'language and culture and religion.'"

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/books12.htm

[Link active as of 1/23/04]

As you can see, he denies that Blacks had their language and culture taken away. And this guy thinks he has a promising future as a writer! Ignorance like this is what has led to so much suffering in South Africa.

Here is his photo so we can all see what internet racists look like:

bossel · Feb 2, 2004, 01:26

I don't think, it's appropriate to post people's pictures accompanied by allegations. If this guy has a personal website, you can post the link. But to post a pic & tell others that this is the bad boy who wrote this or that is not OK.

Give the links, that's enough.

Timsan · Feb 2, 2004, 08:39

No it's not enough. I don't know how you Jew haters do it in Germany but in America being totally ignorant to the unreprehensible damages of slavery (the imbodiement of what this country was founded on) does not come across lightly. Bossel im sure your offended by the symbol of your country being drawn onto someones picture but in my opinion it is rightly so. Bye!

bossel · Feb 2, 2004, 09:47

Originally posted by Timsan
Bossel im sure your offended by the symbol of your country being drawn onto someones picture but in my opinion it is rightly so. Bye!

Oh, Timsan, how nice you are. But sorry, I'm not offended by putting the swastika on some picture. It is inappropriate to publicise a picture of anybody without any proof that the depicted person actually has done something wrong. How do you know that this is the guy who wrote the article? Just because plantinga said so? Maybe plantinga has some other agenda? What makes you so sure that it's not simple defamation of a person he dislikes?

Anyway, I suppose there are enough anti-fa sites on the web where this stuff can be posted. I doubt, that J-ref is the place to do so.

Obviously you are also rather un-educated, Timsan. The swastika is not the symbol of my country, it's the symbol of National-Socialism.
Furthermore, there are not so many Jew haters in Germany, for what I know. The part of the population that has a negative attitude towards Jews is around 15 % (according to recent surveys), pretty much like the average of most European countries, AFAIK.

slavery (the imbodiement of what this country [America] was founded on)

Hmm, education again? For what I know, there were a lot of other issues regarding the history of the USA, eg oppression/genocide of Amerindians, democracy, personal/religious freedom, etc.

**Iron Chef** · Feb 3, 2004, 06:05

Bossel is right. Pic removed. Post it again and you'll be banned. And re: Timsan's comment "I don't know how you Jew haters do it in Germany..." you had best refrain from such remarks in the future unless you want to be banned as well. Frankly I am getting rather tired of your negative attitude and demeanor... Consider this your last warning.

Feb 1, 2004, 15:45	#1
little_plantinga Junior Member Join Date: Feb 1, 2004 Posts: 1	Online Racism and South Africa I believe it's important for all groups in South Africa to work out a compromise and try to live in peace. Yes, it is possible. No, I am not the only one to believe so. You don't want to end up like a boy in America named Scott, who lives in Seattle and who posts vile messages full of hatred toward Blacks. He posts as "Max Power" and as "little_oswald" in various forums. He is 25 and lives with his parents, and pretends to be an "engineer" online. Here is a sample of his writing: "[Michael] Moore then goes off into the deep recesses of outer space when he claims that, as a result of slavery, blacks had their 'language and culture and religion' taken away from them. Newsflash Mike -- spear-chucking, cannibalism, witchcraft and 'ooga-booga' hardly qualify as 'language and culture and religion.'" http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/books12.htm [Link active as of 1/23/04] As you can see, he denies that Blacks had their language and culture taken away. And this guy thinks he has a promising future as a writer! Ignorance like this is what has led to so much suffering in South Africa. Here is his photo so we can all see what internet racists look like: Last edited by Iron Chef; Feb 3, 2004 at 06:01.

Feb 2, 2004, 08:39	#3
Timsan Regular Member Join Date: Dec 4, 2003 Location: Alaska/Alaskan Native (Inupiat) Age: 22 Posts: 241	No it's not enough. I don't know how you Jew haters do it in Germany but in America being totally ignorant to the unreprehensible damages of slavery (the imbodiement of what this country was founded on) does not come across lightly. Bossel im sure your offended by the symbol of your country being drawn onto someones picture but in my opinion it is rightly so. Bye! __________________ "A single death is a tradgedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Stalin

Feb 2, 2004, 09:47	#4
bossel Regular Member Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: germany Posts: 1,655	Originally posted by Timsan Bossel im sure your offended by the symbol of your country being drawn onto someones picture but in my opinion it is rightly so. Bye! Oh, Timsan, how nice you are. But sorry, I'm not offended by putting the swastika on some picture. It is inappropriate to publicise a picture of anybody without any proof that the depicted person actually has done something wrong. How do you know that this is the guy who wrote the article? Just because plantinga said so? Maybe plantinga has some other agenda? What makes you so sure that it's not simple defamation of a person he dislikes? Anyway, I suppose there are enough anti-fa sites on the web where this stuff can be posted. I doubt, that J-ref is the place to do so. Obviously you are also rather un-educated, Timsan. The swastika is not the symbol of my country, it's the symbol of National-Socialism. Furthermore, there are not so many Jew haters in Germany, for what I know. The part of the population that has a negative attitude towards Jews is around 15 % (according to recent surveys), pretty much like the average of most European countries, AFAIK. slavery (the imbodiement of what this country [America] was founded on) Hmm, education again? For what I know, there were a lot of other issues regarding the history of the USA, eg oppression/genocide of Amerindians, democracy, personal/religious freedom, etc.

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Feb 2, 2004, 01:26	#2
bossel Regular Member Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: germany Posts: 1,655	I don't think, it's appropriate to post people's pictures accompanied by allegations. If this guy has a personal website, you can post the link. But to post a pic & tell others that this is the bad boy who wrote this or that is not OK. Give the links, that's enough.

Feb 3, 2004, 06:05	#5
Iron Chef Villain Join Date: Feb 26, 2003 Location: Fukuoka (current), Nagoya, Sapporo Age: 38 Posts: 1,962	Bossel is right. Pic removed. Post it again and you'll be banned. And re: Timsan's comment "I don't know how you Jew haters do it in Germany..." you had best refrain from such remarks in the future unless you want to be banned as well. Frankly I am getting rather tired of your negative attitude and demeanor... Consider this your last warning.