Asahara is sentenced to hang

Hachiko · Feb 28, 2004, 11:08

Finally, the Aum Shinrikyo head get sthe death sentence! Justice has been served. Here's an article from the Japan Times:

Aum Shinrikyo founder Shoko Asahara was sentenced to death Friday for ordering a series of crimes carried out by his disciples, including the March 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack.

The widely expected sentence was handed down by the Tokyo District Court after a trial lasting seven years and 10 months. Asahara, 48, stood accused on 13 counts in connection with crimes that caused 27 deaths.

The counsel for the guru, whose real name is Chizuo Matsumoto, immediately filed an appeal.

Japan Times

Golgo_13 · Feb 28, 2004, 13:19

Good. The bastard deserves it.

The great thing about the death penalty in Japan is it's carried out pretty quickly compared to the U.S., and no one has a problem with it since the penalty is usually given to only brutal and/or mass murderers.

Hachiko · Feb 28, 2004, 15:56

Originally Posted by Golgo_13

Good. The bastard deserves it.

The great thing about the death penalty in Japan is it's carried out pretty quickly compared to the U.S., and no one has a problem with it since the penalty is usually given to only brutal and/or mass murderers.

Give that, will the appeal pass? Or will it be turned down. I would think, given the circustances, it's the latter.

Eternal Wind · Feb 28, 2004, 20:20

Good for him!!well,i think he is a crazy guy for the killing of so many innocent ppl...ya

...and it took 8 yrs for the outcome...

ohayougozaru · Mar 10, 2004, 07:50

several years ago read a jpn weekly magazine article about asahara/matsumotos ancestry: his gran....pa was a secret police officer of north korea. seems among kyushu-ites relatively thick relatives reside there... a site says a both big jpn and south korean religious organizations had funded aum..... btw there are lots of sports/tv personalities who are korean descendants: like a popular baseball exmanager now seems rehabilitated whose pa was from peninsula wrote a same kind of magazine.... perhaps to promote improved relationship between the two people???

Golgo_13 · Mar 10, 2004, 08:43

The Washington D.C. area sniper was sentenced to death today.

He still maintains his innocence.

den4 · Mar 10, 2004, 09:14

What was this weird thing I once heard about Aum claiming it was following Asimov's Foundation trilogy as a basis for their cult group? I still didn't understand that one, unless it was merely rumor...

名無し · Mar 28, 2006, 08:03

Originally Posted by Hachiko

Give that, will the appeal pass? Or will it be turned down.

Tokyo High Court Rejects Asahara's Appeal of Death Sentence (Mainichi)

The defense team could still file an objection against the High Court decision to Japan's Supreme Court, but Asahara will hang if the top court sides with the earlier decision, according to public broadcaster NHK.

Court Rejects Appeal for Aum Founder (Yomiuri)

Matsumoto's lawyers said they would file an objection with the high court.

If the objection is turned down, the defense can still file a special appeal to the Supreme Court. However, legal experts said the top court would be unlikely to overturn the high court decision, and the death sentence likely will be finalized without hearings at the high court.

Faustianideals · Mar 28, 2006, 08:11

I'm glad he was sentenced to death. Crimes like that are unforgivable. People follow religion/cults ignorantly, and this is the outcome.

Mike Cash · Mar 28, 2006, 18:55

The sentence was handed down long ago. What you meant to say is that the sentence was confirmed.

gs001 · Mar 29, 2006, 22:01

Why my reply be deleted?
Is that Japanese style of free speech?
your Japanese told the world again and again that
when a person die, he will immediately become deity and be
worshiped, no matter what he did during his lifetime.
your PM always use this as an excuse to explain his
shrine visit.
Am I wrong? I want your explanation.

changedonrequest · Mar 29, 2006, 23:24

Well, it sure took long enough for the trial and sentencing to finally reach this point, I dont think the courts would have had any other sentence than the one they gave him.

Finally the people's lives that were shattered by the sarin attack and the fear spread by Aum will get some closure. Unfortunately hanging isnt enough of a sentence in my opinion, but then again that's another thread or topic.

Something out of history, like the Spanish Inquisition, would probably be more appropriate in Matsumoto's case.

nurizeko · Mar 30, 2006, 00:47

I wonder if he's enough of a nutjob to have a last word speech.

I'de rather he just rot in a prison but, he did a pretty horrible thing, anyone coulda been on the train, i coulda lost my girlfriend to that.

I guess in a way thats why its more personal then the london or madrid bombings for me, i dont go anywhere near london or madrid and i dont have family in london, well one but she has a car, but i could lost the most important person to me in the world, over a sick ****'s self delusion.

I hope he dies scared if he has to die at all, i dont want him to have the option of going out like a martyr.

**Dutch Baka** · Mar 30, 2006, 04:17

Too bad, I would have rather seen him in a cell from 2x2 with no window, living in there until the day he dies... I think death penalty is to easy!!! easy punnishment.

changedonrequest · Mar 30, 2006, 15:53

Originally Posted by Dutch Baka

Too bad, I would have rather seen him in a cell from 2x2 with no window, living in there until the day he dies... I think death penalty is to easy!!! easy punnishment.

Interesting, but I don't want to have to pay for his "room and board".

pipokun · Mar 30, 2006, 22:08

Originally Posted by gs001

Why my reply be deleted?
Is that Japanese style of free speech?
your Japanese told the world again and again that
when a person die, he will immediately become deity and be
worshiped, no matter what he did during his lifetime.
your PM always use this as an excuse to explain his
shrine visit.
Am I wrong? I want your explanation.

Don't worry. My posts also deleted so many times.

Elizabeth van Kampen · Mar 31, 2006, 00:58

In Holland "Death sentence" is forbidden. So I fully agree with my compatriot Dutch Baka: Put this type of idiots behind the prison bars for the rest of their lifes.

Minty · Mar 31, 2006, 01:10

I do not support capital punishment.

There have been people condemned of homicide, and then afterwards discovered to be not guilty. This evidences that judicature organization is not 100% correct. True, you may jail somebody unintentionally, but if a mistake is discovered it's more facile to free them than to upraise an already deceased person.

**Mycernius** · Mar 31, 2006, 01:10

Originally Posted by Hachiro

Interesting, but I don't want to have to pay for his "room and board".

Your paying for those who appeal. You want him to suffer then let him rot in jail instead of giving him the martyrdom that he thinks this might achieve. I agree with Dutch (we have no death sentance in the UK either)

Tokis-Phoenix · Mar 31, 2006, 02:10

Isn't death by hanging though...A bit medievil perhaps? Don't they have the lethal injection or electric chair?
In england it costs on average ￡24,000 to keep each prisoner in prison, i'm sure its pretty expensive in japan as well, although prison would probably be a much better punishment, do you really think he's worth the money?

changedonrequest · Mar 31, 2006, 06:25

Originally Posted by Mycernius

Your paying for those who appeal. You want him to suffer then let him rot in jail instead of giving him the martyrdom that he thinks this might achieve. I agree with Dutch (we have no death sentance in the UK either)

I know I'm paying for the appeal and for his incarceration as well, I dont want it to be to the end of his natural life either. He could live to be a 100 it isnt worth it.

There have been people condemned of homicide, and then afterwards discovered to be not guilty. This evidences that judicature organization is not 100% correct. True, you may jail somebody unintentionally, but if a mistake is discovered it's more facile to free them than to upraise an already deceased person.
Today 00:58

Minty, that may be the case some where else but NOT here. If this guy was let free watch the Japanese people go on a rampage against the crimminal judiciary system. Oh Matsumoto would probably only last a few days at the most as chances are someone from the general public would murder him. In effect carrying out the "capital punishment".

If you were given the option of pulling the rope and being the exectutioner would you do it?

nurizeko · Mar 31, 2006, 20:48

Ide rather he rot behind bars but i aint going to shed tears for his death either.

Mike Cash · Apr 1, 2006, 01:27

Originally Posted by Tokis-Phoenix

Isn't death by hanging though...A bit medievil perhaps? Don't they have the lethal injection or electric chair?

The electric chair was meant to be a more civilized/humane method of execution. In actuality, it turned out to be pretty barbaric. A properly conducted hanging (which Japan does not do, by the way), is almost certainly preferable to being cooked in the chair.

That being said, executions, if they are to be done at all, should be to some degree barbaric. In adopting lethal injection we have decided to be humane at the cost of being inhuman.

Tokis-Phoenix · Apr 2, 2006, 06:27

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

The electric chair was meant to be a more civilized/humane method of execution. In actuality, it turned out to be pretty barbaric. A properly conducted hanging (which Japan does not do, by the way), is almost certainly preferable to being cooked in the chair.
That being said, executions, if they are to be done at all, should be to some degree barbaric. In adopting lethal injection we have decided to be humane at the cost of being inhuman.

I suppose you are right about the electric chair, i have heard many cases of it failing very badly now that i think about it, but i don't agree that executions should be "to some degree barbaric". The need to induce suffering to one who has done wrong is a basic primitive human instinct in itself, how can we say we disagree with say, burning people at the stake or beheading them and stuff, when we still feel that it is nesarsary to induce suffering in execution? Its just a matter of who decides whats morally correct...In ghengis khans time, boiling people alive was one of the normal forms of execution for treason or murder and things, now days we call that horibly barbaric. But if we still believe execution should be at least barbaric to some degree, can we really look down on the methods of execution used in ghengis khans time morally? I don't think we can if we hold that way of thinking.

gs001 · Apr 6, 2006, 10:44

Originally Posted by pipokun

Don't worry. My posts also deleted so many times.

I am not worry, my posts were often deleted in Chinese forums too
But I believe to any forum the more tolerant the more popular.
back to Aum Shinrikyo affair,
religions can control people's thought like that, really terrible.
As an atheist, It is incomprehensible for me to see believers of
any religion kneel down in front of something out of thin air.
In the long history of human being, religions played a very negative
role, why people still worship their god who never be able to even
prove the existence of itself.

Feb 28, 2004, 11:08	#1
Hachiko The Akita Join Date: Jan 17, 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Age: 25 Posts: 1,377	Asahara is sentenced to hang Finally, the Aum Shinrikyo head get sthe death sentence! Justice has been served. Here's an article from the Japan Times: Aum Shinrikyo founder Shoko Asahara was sentenced to death Friday for ordering a series of crimes carried out by his disciples, including the March 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack. The widely expected sentence was handed down by the Tokyo District Court after a trial lasting seven years and 10 months. Asahara, 48, stood accused on 13 counts in connection with crimes that caused 27 deaths. The counsel for the guru, whose real name is Chizuo Matsumoto, immediately filed an appeal. Japan Times __________________

Feb 28, 2004, 15:56	#3
Hachiko The Akita Join Date: Jan 17, 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Age: 25 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by Golgo_13 Good. The bastard deserves it. The great thing about the death penalty in Japan is it's carried out pretty quickly compared to the U.S., and no one has a problem with it since the penalty is usually given to only brutal and/or mass murderers. Give that, will the appeal pass? Or will it be turned down. I would think, given the circustances, it's the latter.

Feb 28, 2004, 20:20	#4
Eternal Wind 聖天使 Join Date: Jan 30, 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 26 Posts: 663	Good for him!!well,i think he is a crazy guy for the killing of so many innocent ppl...ya...and it took 8 yrs for the outcome...

Mar 10, 2004, 07:50	#5
ohayougozaru Regular Member Join Date: Sep 5, 2003 Location: japanese Posts: 126	several years ago read a jpn weekly magazine article about asahara/matsumotos ancestry: his gran....pa was a secret police officer of north korea. seems among kyushu-ites relatively thick relatives reside there... a site says a both big jpn and south korean religious organizations had funded aum..... btw there are lots of sports/tv personalities who are korean descendants: like a popular baseball exmanager now seems rehabilitated whose pa was from peninsula wrote a same kind of magazine.... perhaps to promote improved relationship between the two people??? __________________

Mar 10, 2004, 09:14	#7
den4 Regular Member Join Date: Nov 15, 2002 Location: mushroom forest Posts: 1,215 Blog Entries: 3	What was this weird thing I once heard about Aum claiming it was following Asimov's Foundation trilogy as a basis for their cult group? I still didn't understand that one, unless it was merely rumor... __________________ I know nothing...except the answer is 42. You know more than I do.

Feb 28, 2004, 13:19	#2
Golgo_13 Koushaku Join Date: Nov 27, 2003 Location: KIX -> JFK -> LAX Posts: 1,402	Good. The bastard deserves it. The great thing about the death penalty in Japan is it's carried out pretty quickly compared to the U.S., and no one has a problem with it since the penalty is usually given to only brutal and/or mass murderers.

Mar 10, 2004, 08:43	#6
Golgo_13 Koushaku Join Date: Nov 27, 2003 Location: KIX -> JFK -> LAX Posts: 1,402	The Washington D.C. area sniper was sentenced to death today. He still maintains his innocence.

Mar 28, 2006, 08:03	#8
名無し Regular Member Join Date: Mar 1, 2004 Posts: 566	Originally Posted by Hachiko Give that, will the appeal pass? Or will it be turned down. Tokyo High Court Rejects Asahara's Appeal of Death Sentence (Mainichi) The defense team could still file an objection against the High Court decision to Japan's Supreme Court, but Asahara will hang if the top court sides with the earlier decision, according to public broadcaster NHK. Court Rejects Appeal for Aum Founder (Yomiuri) Matsumoto's lawyers said they would file an objection with the high court. If the objection is turned down, the defense can still file a special appeal to the Supreme Court. However, legal experts said the top court would be unlikely to overturn the high court decision, and the death sentence likely will be finalized without hearings at the high court.

Mar 28, 2006, 08:11	#9
Faustianideals Comfortably Ignorant Join Date: Jul 15, 2004 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 21 Posts: 762	I'm glad he was sentenced to death. Crimes like that are unforgivable. People follow religion/cults ignorantly, and this is the outcome.

Mar 28, 2006, 18:55	#10
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	The sentence was handed down long ago. What you meant to say is that the sentence was confirmed. __________________ Kiva: Loans That Change Lives

Mar 29, 2006, 22:01	#11
gs001 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 24, 2005 Posts: 103	Why my reply be deleted? Is that Japanese style of free speech? your Japanese told the world again and again that when a person die, he will immediately become deity and be worshiped, no matter what he did during his lifetime. your PM always use this as an excuse to explain his shrine visit. Am I wrong? I want your explanation.

Mar 29, 2006, 23:24	#12
changedonrequest Banned Join Date: Feb 5, 2006 Posts: 585	Well, it sure took long enough for the trial and sentencing to finally reach this point, I dont think the courts would have had any other sentence than the one they gave him. Finally the people's lives that were shattered by the sarin attack and the fear spread by Aum will get some closure. Unfortunately hanging isnt enough of a sentence in my opinion, but then again that's another thread or topic. Something out of history, like the Spanish Inquisition, would probably be more appropriate in Matsumoto's case.

Mar 30, 2006, 00:47	#13
nurizeko tsuyaku o tsukete kudasai Join Date: Jan 19, 2005 Location: aberdeen, scotland Age: 24 Posts: 1,334	I wonder if he's enough of a nutjob to have a last word speech. I'de rather he just rot in a prison but, he did a pretty horrible thing, anyone coulda been on the train, i coulda lost my girlfriend to that. I guess in a way thats why its more personal then the london or madrid bombings for me, i dont go anywhere near london or madrid and i dont have family in london, well one but she has a car, but i could lost the most important person to me in the world, over a sick ****'s self delusion. I hope he dies scared if he has to die at all, i dont want him to have the option of going out like a martyr.

Mar 30, 2006, 04:17	#14
Dutch Baka .... who cares? :( Join Date: Feb 5, 2005 Location: Kobe, Rokko Age: 24 Posts: 4,743 Blog Entries: 12	Too bad, I would have rather seen him in a cell from 2x2 with no window, living in there until the day he dies... I think death penalty is to easy!!! easy punnishment. __________________ My website: Kobe city info and my PM Forum Rules - J-Music Forum Rules - FAQ - Calendar Write an article for Jref - Reputation points

Mar 30, 2006, 15:53	#15
changedonrequest Banned Join Date: Feb 5, 2006 Posts: 585	Originally Posted by Dutch Baka Too bad, I would have rather seen him in a cell from 2x2 with no window, living in there until the day he dies... I think death penalty is to easy!!! easy punnishment. Interesting, but I don't want to have to pay for his "room and board".

Mar 30, 2006, 22:08	#16
pipokun Regular Member Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Posts: 2,499	Originally Posted by gs001 Why my reply be deleted? Is that Japanese style of free speech? your Japanese told the world again and again that when a person die, he will immediately become deity and be worshiped, no matter what he did during his lifetime. your PM always use this as an excuse to explain his shrine visit. Am I wrong? I want your explanation. Don't worry. My posts also deleted so many times.

Mar 31, 2006, 00:58	#17
Elizabeth van Kampen Regular Member Join Date: Nov 1, 2005 Location: Tilburg Age: 82 Posts: 365	In Holland "Death sentence" is forbidden. So I fully agree with my compatriot Dutch Baka: Put this type of idiots behind the prison bars for the rest of their lifes.

Mar 31, 2006, 01:10	#18
Minty Seeing is believing Join Date: Feb 26, 2006 Location: Strasbourg Posts: 304	I do not support capital punishment. There have been people condemned of homicide, and then afterwards discovered to be not guilty. This evidences that judicature organization is not 100% correct. True, you may jail somebody unintentionally, but if a mistake is discovered it's more facile to free them than to upraise an already deceased person.

Mar 31, 2006, 01:10	#19
Mycernius The Hairy Wookie Join Date: Feb 4, 2005 Location: Hometown of George Eliot Age: 39 Posts: 3,227 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Hachiro Interesting, but I don't want to have to pay for his "room and board". Your paying for those who appeal. You want him to suffer then let him rot in jail instead of giving him the martyrdom that he thinks this might achieve. I agree with Dutch (we have no death sentance in the UK either) __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Remember the Siruis Cybernetic Corportations motto: Share and Enjoy

Mar 31, 2006, 02:10	#20
Tokis-Phoenix Regular Member Join Date: Sep 23, 2005 Location: England, Somerset Age: 23 Posts: 1,064	Isn't death by hanging though...A bit medievil perhaps? Don't they have the lethal injection or electric chair? In england it costs on average ￡24,000 to keep each prisoner in prison, i'm sure its pretty expensive in japan as well, although prison would probably be a much better punishment, do you really think he's worth the money? __________________

Mar 31, 2006, 06:25	#21
changedonrequest Banned Join Date: Feb 5, 2006 Posts: 585	Originally Posted by Mycernius Your paying for those who appeal. You want him to suffer then let him rot in jail instead of giving him the martyrdom that he thinks this might achieve. I agree with Dutch (we have no death sentance in the UK either) I know I'm paying for the appeal and for his incarceration as well, I dont want it to be to the end of his natural life either. He could live to be a 100 it isnt worth it. There have been people condemned of homicide, and then afterwards discovered to be not guilty. This evidences that judicature organization is not 100% correct. True, you may jail somebody unintentionally, but if a mistake is discovered it's more facile to free them than to upraise an already deceased person. Today 00:58 Minty, that may be the case some where else but NOT here. If this guy was let free watch the Japanese people go on a rampage against the crimminal judiciary system. Oh Matsumoto would probably only last a few days at the most as chances are someone from the general public would murder him. In effect carrying out the "capital punishment". If you were given the option of pulling the rope and being the exectutioner would you do it?

Mar 31, 2006, 20:48	#22
nurizeko tsuyaku o tsukete kudasai Join Date: Jan 19, 2005 Location: aberdeen, scotland Age: 24 Posts: 1,334	Ide rather he rot behind bars but i aint going to shed tears for his death either.

Apr 1, 2006, 01:27	#23
Mike Cash Delusions of Adequacy Join Date: Mar 15, 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 5,417	Originally Posted by Tokis-Phoenix Isn't death by hanging though...A bit medievil perhaps? Don't they have the lethal injection or electric chair? The electric chair was meant to be a more civilized/humane method of execution. In actuality, it turned out to be pretty barbaric. A properly conducted hanging (which Japan does not do, by the way), is almost certainly preferable to being cooked in the chair. That being said, executions, if they are to be done at all, should be to some degree barbaric. In adopting lethal injection we have decided to be humane at the cost of being inhuman.

Apr 2, 2006, 06:27	#24
Tokis-Phoenix Regular Member Join Date: Sep 23, 2005 Location: England, Somerset Age: 23 Posts: 1,064	Originally Posted by Mike Cash The electric chair was meant to be a more civilized/humane method of execution. In actuality, it turned out to be pretty barbaric. A properly conducted hanging (which Japan does not do, by the way), is almost certainly preferable to being cooked in the chair. That being said, executions, if they are to be done at all, should be to some degree barbaric. In adopting lethal injection we have decided to be humane at the cost of being inhuman. I suppose you are right about the electric chair, i have heard many cases of it failing very badly now that i think about it, but i don't agree that executions should be "to some degree barbaric". The need to induce suffering to one who has done wrong is a basic primitive human instinct in itself, how can we say we disagree with say, burning people at the stake or beheading them and stuff, when we still feel that it is nesarsary to induce suffering in execution? Its just a matter of who decides whats morally correct...In ghengis khans time, boiling people alive was one of the normal forms of execution for treason or murder and things, now days we call that horibly barbaric. But if we still believe execution should be at least barbaric to some degree, can we really look down on the methods of execution used in ghengis khans time morally? I don't think we can if we hold that way of thinking.

Apr 6, 2006, 10:44	#25
gs001 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 24, 2005 Posts: 103	Originally Posted by pipokun Don't worry. My posts also deleted so many times. I am not worry, my posts were often deleted in Chinese forums too But I believe to any forum the more tolerant the more popular. back to Aum Shinrikyo affair, religions can control people's thought like that, really terrible. As an atheist, It is incomprehensible for me to see believers of any religion kneel down in front of something out of thin air. In the long history of human being, religions played a very negative role, why people still worship their god who never be able to even prove the existence of itself.

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