Why do you promote sects?

spyny · Mar 30, 2004, 06:29

I saw an ad for the church of scientology on the home page.

Are you not aware that it is a lucrative and harmful sect ?

Are you part of it or sponsored by it ?

I don't think you need that much money so that you have to put any kind of ads.

I hope you are responsible for what you show as much as you are for the forum administration.

Simon

**Uncle Frank** · Mar 30, 2004, 06:40

Let's ask RON L. HUBBARD !!!

Frank

spyny · Mar 30, 2004, 07:02

Well, the link leads to a US site...

Maciamo · Mar 30, 2004, 09:56

Where did you see such an ad. There is no scientology ad whatsoever to the best of my knowledge. First, it's not Japan-related, then I am anti-religious and anti-sects. Could you tell me exactly where you saw that and what the ad looks like (title, etc) ? Was it on the banner-exchange on the top-right (possible as its free and anyone can register, so I should delete it) ?

lineartube · Mar 30, 2004, 18:19

Could be an ad hi-jack.

Spyny, next time the ad appears, take a screenshot. If you don't know how to take a screenshot, tell us and we'll tell you how. If it is an ad hi-jack, you proba bly have some nasty spyware/trojan/malware installed in your PC, replacing standard ads by the ones who sponsor that kind of software.

This type of thing is as funny as a rectal probe....

PaulTB · Mar 30, 2004, 18:28

Originally Posted by lineartube

If it is an ad hi-jack, you probably have some nasty spyware/trojan/malware installed in your PC, replacing standard ads by the ones who sponsor that kind of software.

Even if it isn't an ad hi-jack you should get and run a decent anti-spy-ware program once every few months or so.

ad-aware gets mentioned a lot - but it isn't the only free SW available.

**jeisan** · Mar 30, 2004, 19:32

id run an anti-spyware program one every week or so.
i reccommed both ad aware and spybot as one cathes things the other doesnt, and you can run them simultaneously. also, always be sure to keep them updated.

spyny · Mar 31, 2004, 06:11

Bonjour,

are you telling *me* to run an adaware or to JREF?

I do run ad-aware 6 like everyweek and i've never found anything related to scientology.

I'm not anti-religions, but im anti-what-harms-people, so i reacted immediately.

I took a screenshot of the area where i saw the ad, and i noticed it was marked "Ads by Google". Then I assume that this is an automated system and that you don't supervise it and have a direct control over it.

Still, I swear to God (oops) that I saw the scientology ad, that I clicked on the link and that I was taken to their official website, no joking.

I wouldn't have been surprise if i was on a New Age or "esoteric" website, but come on I was on a Japan related wide audience website.

Maciamo are you also the webmaster of Jref.com?

After all, i might have a spyware on my PC.

Do you know about ctmon.exe ?

Simon

spyny · Mar 31, 2004, 06:14

Btw, what's a malware?

PaulTB · Mar 31, 2004, 06:20

Originally Posted by spyny

I took a screenshot of the area where i saw the ad, and i noticed it was marked "Ads by Google". Then I assume that this is an automated system and that you don't supervise it and have a direct control over it.

I assume you mean 'don't have direct control over it'.

Did you click the "Ads by Google" link?

If you did you would see
a) That jref doesn't have any direct control over the ads shown.
b) The ads shown are chosen by Google dependent on the content of the page.
c) That you can send feedback to Google on any / all of the ads shown.

I'm surprised that scientology would come up (which makes the spyware on your computer theory a little more likely) as there is nothing I see relevant on the page.

PaulTB · Mar 31, 2004, 06:22

Originally Posted by spyny

Btw, what's a malware?

I believe it is mal as in malicious. Malware may not be technically illegal* and may not be spy / adware but it probably does something nasty that you wouldn't want running on your computer.

* Although generally only because law hasn't kept up with the computer industry :p

spyny · Mar 31, 2004, 07:22

Originally Posted by PaulTB

I assume you mean 'don't have direct control over it'.

Did you click the "Ads by Google" link?

If you did you would see
a) That jref doesn't have any direct control over the ads shown.
b) The ads shown are chosen by Google dependent on the content of the page.
c) That you can send feedback to Google on any / all of the ads shown.

I'm surprised that scientology would come up (which makes the spyware on your computer theory a little more likely) as there is nothing I see relevant on the page.

Yes i mean, "you DON'T have a direct control over it".

So it is really possible that such a spyware could replace the ad with the right "design" (font styles, etc)?

The screenshot is one i took today, not the day i saw the ad.

Could sby tell what's the difference between a malware and a ad/spyware?

bossel · Mar 31, 2004, 08:13

For definitions look here:
http://www.spywareguide.com/term_lis...talRows_rs1=53

**jeisan** · Mar 31, 2004, 11:52

ctmon.exe check here: http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_i...&idvirus=42806

note: you can type the name of the file or whatever, in this case "ctmon.exe" into whatever search engine and find out what it is.

PaulTB · Mar 31, 2004, 16:17

If you must have sects, please have safe sects.

Maciamo · Mar 31, 2004, 17:17

Originally Posted by spyny

Maciamo are you also the webmaster of Jref.com?

Yes. Thomas and I are the webmaster. Why, do you know me from another (French) site ?

We do not have control over Google ads, but they should only show ads related to the site's content (i.e. Japan).

PaulTB · Mar 31, 2004, 17:36

Originally Posted by Maciamo

We do not have control over Google ads, but they should only show ads related to the site's content (i.e. Japan).

Scientology being as it is it wouldn't surprise me if they'd messed with their ad submissions in order to get them to appear in inappropriate places and have (since) had a rap over the knuckles from Google.

spyny · Apr 1, 2004, 08:04

Maciamo>> i was just wondering if the webmaster was also the administrator...you work fulltime here then?
I don't think i heard of u in another forum...

PaulTB>> would they could possibly do that? do you mean that scientology could pass through Google's security?

Now i favor the virus possibility, because by updating Norton (which didn't do it automatically, curiously) I found two viruses.

The agents are everywhere! lol

Forgive me, i use so often search engine, that sometimes i fool myself asking people...

PaulTB · Apr 1, 2004, 12:18

Originally Posted by spyny

PaulTB>> would they could possibly do that? do you mean that scientology could pass through Google's security?

Don't see why not - it's not the security they have to get past.

Google ads are (I believe) initially submitted along with keywords / descriptions used to ensure they are shown with relevant web pages.

e.g. Scientology might have "Religion, Dianetics, Mental wellbeing" and some other rubbish.
If they instead had "Japan, tourism, languages" then bingo they'd be turning up on sites like JRef.

The other possibility is that the recent threads text might have included one with Scientology as its subject and that triggered the ad's selection.

**cacawate** · Jul 8, 2004, 07:34

That L. Ron Hubbard is one tricky dead dude.

TwistedMac · Jul 18, 2004, 04:21

since you people are all talking about scientology in here, guess what happens to the google bar near the end of the thread? ^_^ <(-.-<)

Mar 30, 2004, 06:29	#1
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Why do you promote sects? I saw an ad for the church of scientology on the home page. Are you not aware that it is a lucrative and harmful sect ? Are you part of it or sponsored by it ? I don't think you need that much money so that you have to put any kind of ads. I hope you are responsible for what you show as much as you are for the forum administration. Simon

Mar 30, 2004, 06:40	#2
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Mar 30, 2004, 09:56	#4
Maciamo Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Jul 17, 2002 Location: Austrasia Posts: 6,647	Where did you see such an ad. There is no scientology ad whatsoever to the best of my knowledge. First, it's not Japan-related, then I am anti-religious and anti-sects. Could you tell me exactly where you saw that and what the ad looks like (title, etc) ? Was it on the banner-exchange on the top-right (possible as its free and anyone can register, so I should delete it) ? __________________ Over 100 destinations in the Japan Sightseeing Guide + detailed Tokyo Guide and Kyoto Guide Eupedia : Your Guide to Europe in English Read the "Maciamo FAQ" "What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?", Winston Churchill.

Mar 30, 2004, 18:19	#5
lineartube free spirit Join Date: Oct 29, 2002 Location: Vila Franca de Xira/Portugal Age: 33 Posts: 389	Could be an ad hi-jack. Spyny, next time the ad appears, take a screenshot. If you don't know how to take a screenshot, tell us and we'll tell you how. If it is an ad hi-jack, you proba bly have some nasty spyware/trojan/malware installed in your PC, replacing standard ads by the ones who sponsor that kind of software. This type of thing is as funny as a rectal probe.... __________________ Ln.

Mar 30, 2004, 18:28	#6
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by lineartube If it is an ad hi-jack, you probably have some nasty spyware/trojan/malware installed in your PC, replacing standard ads by the ones who sponsor that kind of software. Even if it isn't an ad hi-jack you should get and run a decent anti-spy-ware program once every few months or so. ad-aware gets mentioned a lot - but it isn't the only free SW available.

Mar 30, 2004, 07:02	#3
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Well, the link leads to a US site...

Mar 30, 2004, 19:32	#7
jeisan Kongming Join Date: Feb 24, 2003 Location: san antonio, texas Age: 26 Posts: 2,848	id run an anti-spyware program one every week or so. i reccommed both ad aware and spybot as one cathes things the other doesnt, and you can run them simultaneously. also, always be sure to keep them updated. __________________ Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. =[Signature Guidelines]==[User Titles]==[Forum Rules]=

Mar 31, 2004, 06:11	#8
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Bonjour, are you telling me to run an adaware or to JREF? I do run ad-aware 6 like everyweek and i've never found anything related to scientology. I'm not anti-religions, but im anti-what-harms-people, so i reacted immediately. I took a screenshot of the area where i saw the ad, and i noticed it was marked "Ads by Google". Then I assume that this is an automated system and that you don't supervise it and have a direct control over it. Still, I swear to God (oops) that I saw the scientology ad, that I clicked on the link and that I was taken to their official website, no joking. I wouldn't have been surprise if i was on a New Age or "esoteric" website, but come on I was on a Japan related wide audience website. Maciamo are you also the webmaster of Jref.com? After all, i might have a spyware on my PC. Do you know about ctmon.exe ? Simon Attached Thumbnails

Mar 31, 2004, 06:14	#9
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Btw, what's a malware?

Mar 31, 2004, 06:20	#10
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by spyny I took a screenshot of the area where i saw the ad, and i noticed it was marked "Ads by Google". Then I assume that this is an automated system and that you don't supervise it and have a direct control over it. I assume you mean 'don't have direct control over it'. Did you click the "Ads by Google" link? If you did you would see a) That jref doesn't have any direct control over the ads shown. b) The ads shown are chosen by Google dependent on the content of the page. c) That you can send feedback to Google on any / all of the ads shown. I'm surprised that scientology would come up (which makes the spyware on your computer theory a little more likely) as there is nothing I see relevant on the page.

Mar 31, 2004, 06:22	#11
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by spyny Btw, what's a malware? I believe it is mal as in malicious. Malware may not be technically illegal* and may not be spy / adware but it probably does something nasty that you wouldn't want running on your computer. * Although generally only because law hasn't kept up with the computer industry :p

Mar 31, 2004, 07:22	#12
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Originally Posted by PaulTB I assume you mean 'don't have direct control over it'. Did you click the "Ads by Google" link? If you did you would see a) That jref doesn't have any direct control over the ads shown. b) The ads shown are chosen by Google dependent on the content of the page. c) That you can send feedback to Google on any / all of the ads shown. I'm surprised that scientology would come up (which makes the spyware on your computer theory a little more likely) as there is nothing I see relevant on the page. Yes i mean, "you DON'T have a direct control over it". So it is really possible that such a spyware could replace the ad with the right "design" (font styles, etc)? The screenshot is one i took today, not the day i saw the ad. Could sby tell what's the difference between a malware and a ad/spyware?

Mar 31, 2004, 08:13	#13
bossel Regular Member Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: germany Posts: 1,655	For definitions look here: http://www.spywareguide.com/term_lis...talRows_rs1=53

Mar 31, 2004, 11:52	#14
jeisan Kongming Join Date: Feb 24, 2003 Location: san antonio, texas Age: 26 Posts: 2,848	ctmon.exe check here: http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_i...&idvirus=42806 note: you can type the name of the file or whatever, in this case "ctmon.exe" into whatever search engine and find out what it is.

Mar 31, 2004, 16:17	#15
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	If you must have sects, please have safe sects.

Mar 31, 2004, 17:17	#16
Maciamo Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Jul 17, 2002 Location: Austrasia Posts: 6,647	Originally Posted by spyny Maciamo are you also the webmaster of Jref.com? Yes. Thomas and I are the webmaster. Why, do you know me from another (French) site ? We do not have control over Google ads, but they should only show ads related to the site's content (i.e. Japan).

Mar 31, 2004, 17:36	#17
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Maciamo We do not have control over Google ads, but they should only show ads related to the site's content (i.e. Japan). Scientology being as it is it wouldn't surprise me if they'd messed with their ad submissions in order to get them to appear in inappropriate places and have (since) had a rap over the knuckles from Google.

Apr 1, 2004, 08:04	#18
spyny Junior Member Join Date: Sep 12, 2003 Location: paris Age: 29 Posts: 14	Maciamo>> i was just wondering if the webmaster was also the administrator...you work fulltime here then? I don't think i heard of u in another forum... PaulTB>> would they could possibly do that? do you mean that scientology could pass through Google's security? Now i favor the virus possibility, because by updating Norton (which didn't do it automatically, curiously) I found two viruses. The agents are everywhere! lol Forgive me, i use so often search engine, that sometimes i fool myself asking people...

Apr 1, 2004, 12:18	#19
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by spyny PaulTB>> would they could possibly do that? do you mean that scientology could pass through Google's security? Don't see why not - it's not the security they have to get past. Google ads are (I believe) initially submitted along with keywords / descriptions used to ensure they are shown with relevant web pages. e.g. Scientology might have "Religion, Dianetics, Mental wellbeing" and some other rubbish. If they instead had "Japan, tourism, languages" then bingo they'd be turning up on sites like JRef. The other possibility is that the recent threads text might have included one with Scientology as its subject and that triggered the ad's selection.

Jul 8, 2004, 07:34	#20
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