"ikesou"

fixelbrumpf · Apr 19, 2004, 06:00

I'm a bit confused by this form of the verb "iku" I came across in a song. The exact line in the song is "dokomade mo ikesou", and I've been told that this sentence means something along of the lines of "It seems as if I can go anywhere".

With the help of the Japanese Conjugation Builder I constructed the thesis that the "-sou" part is probably a shortened version of "-sou da", which is, as I've been told, often appended to verbs to indicate probability, e.g. in weather forecasts.

The only thing that's bugging me is the "-ke" inflection before the "sou". Isn't "ike" the imperative of "iku"? According to the conjugation builder, the "correct" form would be "iki-sou da". So is the site wrong in this case? I've been told that it sometimes produces erratic results. Or is "ikesou" a different verb form that's missing in the conjugation builder?
Can someone help? Thanks in advance.

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 06:48

Try ikeru instead.

fixelbrumpf · Apr 19, 2004, 07:04

Thank you very much, yet again I'm saved by the mighty Elizabeth!

アン、アン、アン、とっても大好き、エリザベス！！！

Then I guess whoever translated it as "It seems as if I can go anywhere" was wrong since "ikeru" seems to mean "to be good at something"?

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 07:11

Better switch to an online translator then.

行ける means to be able to go.

fixelbrumpf · Apr 19, 2004, 07:22

Well, I still love my JWPce. At least its inbuilt dictionary allows me to add new phrases. It didn't have "kure" and "aho", either. -__-

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 07:59

Apparently it isn't in WWWJDIC either....maybe it's just my usage and someone else will have a better explanation.

rquethe · Apr 19, 2004, 08:14

"行くことが出来る" and　"行ける" are basically the same thing right?

You're just using the "e" form of verbs to express abililty or ableness.

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 08:43

Yes...and when you can keep them straight, which even natives
have trouble with at times, the "eru" and "rareru" potential
endings are closer to 'mature,' adult-like speech ;).

PaulTB · Apr 19, 2004, 11:54

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Apparently it isn't in WWWJDIC either....

WWWJDIC generally doesn't list potential forms unless they
have a different meaning than you would expect. The expected 行ける = be able to go still applies as well but isn't explicitly listed separately from 行く.

Incidently, 行ける is used more widely than just 'to be good at'. It's used to mean 'to go well' (e.g. when deciding on a theme for your class for the school culture festival "それなら行けるだろう") and also to say that a certain drink has a lot of kick

fixelbrumpf · Apr 19, 2004, 13:30

Turns out the conjugation builder actually gives you "ikeru" meaning being able to do something if you type in "iku" but I had no idea you can drop the "-ru" and append the "sou" to it. Thanks again, guys.

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 21:09

”行くそう” is also seen, although it may not be an independent form for seems to go ?

PaulTB · Apr 19, 2004, 22:14

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

”行くそう” is also seen, although it may not be an independent form for seems to go ?

You do know that there are essentially two different 'そう' constructions don't you?

'Looks like' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou
and
'I hear that' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou-2

Elizabeth · Apr 19, 2004, 22:32

Originally Posted by PaulTB

You do know that there are essentially two different 'そう' constructions don't you?

'Looks like' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou
and
'I hear that' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou-2

Yeah, I realized the two meanings just not how it was indicated by the variance in stem form. Thanks!

Apr 19, 2004, 06:00	#1
fixelbrumpf Regular Member Join Date: Sep 16, 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 175	"ikesou" I'm a bit confused by this form of the verb "iku" I came across in a song. The exact line in the song is "dokomade mo ikesou", and I've been told that this sentence means something along of the lines of "It seems as if I can go anywhere". With the help of the Japanese Conjugation Builder I constructed the thesis that the "-sou" part is probably a shortened version of "-sou da", which is, as I've been told, often appended to verbs to indicate probability, e.g. in weather forecasts. The only thing that's bugging me is the "-ke" inflection before the "sou". Isn't "ike" the imperative of "iku"? According to the conjugation builder, the "correct" form would be "iki-sou da". So is the site wrong in this case? I've been told that it sometimes produces erratic results. Or is "ikesou" a different verb form that's missing in the conjugation builder? Can someone help? Thanks in advance. __________________ イケメンって日系メン!

Apr 19, 2004, 06:48	#2
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	Try ikeru instead. __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Apr 19, 2004, 08:14	#7
rquethe 黒い剣士 Join Date: Mar 20, 2004 Location: Minnesota Age: 24 Posts: 88	"行くことが出来る" and　"行ける" are basically the same thing right? You're just using the "e" form of verbs to express abililty or ableness. __________________ この世界には人の運命をつかさどる何らかの超越的な"律"神の手が存在するのだろうか。少なくとも人はみずからの意志さえ自由には出来ない。

Apr 19, 2004, 11:54	#9
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Elizabeth Apparently it isn't in WWWJDIC either.... WWWJDIC generally doesn't list potential forms unless they have a different meaning than you would expect. The expected 行ける = be able to go still applies as well but isn't explicitly listed separately from 行く. Incidently, 行ける is used more widely than just 'to be good at'. It's used to mean 'to go well' (e.g. when deciding on a theme for your class for the school culture festival "それなら行けるだろう") and also to say that a certain drink has a lot of kick

Apr 19, 2004, 22:14	#12
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Elizabeth ”行くそう” is also seen, although it may not be an independent form for seems to go ? You do know that there are essentially two different 'そう' constructions don't you? 'Looks like' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou and 'I hear that' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou-2

Apr 19, 2004, 07:04	#3
fixelbrumpf Regular Member Join Date: Sep 16, 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 175	Thank you very much, yet again I'm saved by the mighty Elizabeth! アン、アン、アン、とっても大好き、エリザベス！！！ Then I guess whoever translated it as "It seems as if I can go anywhere" was wrong since "ikeru" seems to mean "to be good at something"?

Apr 19, 2004, 07:11	#4
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	Better switch to an online translator then. 行ける means to be able to go.

Apr 19, 2004, 07:22	#5
fixelbrumpf Regular Member Join Date: Sep 16, 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 175	Well, I still love my JWPce. At least its inbuilt dictionary allows me to add new phrases. It didn't have "kure" and "aho", either. -__-

Apr 19, 2004, 07:59	#6
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	Apparently it isn't in WWWJDIC either....maybe it's just my usage and someone else will have a better explanation.

Apr 19, 2004, 08:43	#8
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	Yes...and when you can keep them straight, which even natives have trouble with at times, the "eru" and "rareru" potential endings are closer to 'mature,' adult-like speech ;).

Apr 19, 2004, 13:30	#10
fixelbrumpf Regular Member Join Date: Sep 16, 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 175	Turns out the conjugation builder actually gives you "ikeru" meaning being able to do something if you type in "iku" but I had no idea you can drop the "-ru" and append the "sou" to it. Thanks again, guys.

Apr 19, 2004, 21:09	#11
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	”行くそう” is also seen, although it may not be an independent form for seems to go ?

Apr 19, 2004, 22:32	#13
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by PaulTB You do know that there are essentially two different 'そう' constructions don't you? 'Looks like' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou and 'I hear that' http://www.pikkle.com/jgram/viewOne.php?tagE=sou-2 Yeah, I realized the two meanings just not how it was indicated by the variance in stem form. Thanks!

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