Slogan translation.

Kintaro · Apr 28, 2004, 18:14

To cut to the chase: Humans and puppets are the same. The difference between them is who pulls the strings.

I know the first part would be : 人間と人形は同じ。 I have heard of "onaji gurai" for almost the same, or something similar, that would work possibly better, but I don't know how to compound the rest into one logical sentence.

Puppets, dolls, marionettes for me are similar so I think ningyou is a proper translation.

Elizabeth · Apr 29, 2004, 04:00

Daitai onaji, hobo onaji, hotondo onaji, onaji gurai are about as equivilant as far as I'm aware. I think you can also use the "to....to" pattern without the wa....

PaulTB · Apr 29, 2004, 05:16

Wouldn't 同じぐらい be used for quantative comparison rather than qualitative? I don't think you can use it to say humans and puppets are about the same.

Check the WWWJDIC examples below to see what I mean.

この辞書は君のと同じぐらい役に立つ。
This dictionary is as useful as yours.
その木は屋根と同じぐらいの高さだ。
The tree is about as high as the roof.
ぼくは君と同じぐらい上手に泳げる。
I can swim as well as you. [M]
めぐは、けんと同じぐらい背が高い。
Meg is as tall as Ken.
トムはお父さんと同じぐらいの背の高さだ。
Tom is as tall as his father.
リンダはメグと同じぐらい上手に踊れる。
Linda can dance as well as Meg.
ルーシーには私と同じぐらい友達がいます。
Lucy has as many friends as I do.
私の弟は私と同じぐらいよく勉強する。
My brother studies as hard as I do.
私は父と同じぐらい背が高い。
I am as tall as my father.
小説はおとぎ話や神話と同じぐらい古い。
Fiction is as old as fairy tale and myth.
彼はお父さんと同じぐらいの背丈だ。
He is as tall as his father.
彼は私の父と同じぐらい背が高い。
He is as tall as my father.
彼は彼のお父さんと同じぐらいの背の高さである。
He is as tall as his father.
彼は父親と同じぐらいたくさんの本を持っている。
He has as many as his father does
彼女には私とほとんど同じぐらいチャンスがある。
She has no less chance than I do.
彼女は君とほとんど同じぐらいの背の高さだ。
She is almost as tall as you.
彼女は母親と同じぐらい美人だ。
She is as beautiful as her mother.

What you might be able to say with 同じぐらい could be ...
人間は人形と同じぐらい自由です。違いは誰が誰に扱われているだけです。
Humans are as free as puppets. The difference is who is manipulating who.
(lack of mistakes not a given

Elizabeth · Apr 29, 2004, 06:12

Yeah, wasn't sure either. I thought onaji gurai could probably be used to mean either 'as much as' or 'almost the same' but apparently not.

Maybe mitai is better.

Andy3004 · May 2, 2004, 04:41

Hmm... on first thought, I'd probably translate:

"Humans and puppets are the same. The difference between them is who pulls the strings."

as such:

人間は人形と同様わけだ。が、誰によって操られてるという差があるよ。　

Comments & criticism are welcome...

ja ne,

^_^/~

Apr 28, 2004, 18:14	#1
Kintaro 人間と人形は同じ。 Join Date: Jun 30, 2003 Location: Montreal City Posts: 104	Slogan translation. To cut to the chase: Humans and puppets are the same. The difference between them is who pulls the strings. I know the first part would be : 人間と人形は同じ。 I have heard of "onaji gurai" for almost the same, or something similar, that would work possibly better, but I don't know how to compound the rest into one logical sentence. Puppets, dolls, marionettes for me are similar so I think ningyou is a proper translation. __________________ The difference between men and puppets is only by who controls the string.

Apr 29, 2004, 04:00	#2
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Daitai onaji, hobo onaji, hotondo onaji, onaji gurai are about as equivilant as far as I'm aware. I think you can also use the "to....to" pattern without the wa.... __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Apr 29, 2004, 06:12	#4
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,505	Yeah, wasn't sure either. I thought onaji gurai could probably be used to mean either 'as much as' or 'almost the same' but apparently not. Maybe mitai is better. Last edited by Elizabeth; Apr 29, 2004 at 09:00.

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Apr 29, 2004, 05:16	#3
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Wouldn't 同じぐらい be used for quantative comparison rather than qualitative? I don't think you can use it to say humans and puppets are about the same. Check the WWWJDIC examples below to see what I mean. この辞書は君のと同じぐらい役に立つ。 This dictionary is as useful as yours. その木は屋根と同じぐらいの高さだ。 The tree is about as high as the roof. ぼくは君と同じぐらい上手に泳げる。 I can swim as well as you. [M] めぐは、けんと同じぐらい背が高い。 Meg is as tall as Ken. トムはお父さんと同じぐらいの背の高さだ。 Tom is as tall as his father. リンダはメグと同じぐらい上手に踊れる。 Linda can dance as well as Meg. ルーシーには私と同じぐらい友達がいます。 Lucy has as many friends as I do. 私の弟は私と同じぐらいよく勉強する。 My brother studies as hard as I do. 私は父と同じぐらい背が高い。 I am as tall as my father. 小説はおとぎ話や神話と同じぐらい古い。 Fiction is as old as fairy tale and myth. 彼はお父さんと同じぐらいの背丈だ。 He is as tall as his father. 彼は私の父と同じぐらい背が高い。 He is as tall as my father. 彼は彼のお父さんと同じぐらいの背の高さである。 He is as tall as his father. 彼は父親と同じぐらいたくさんの本を持っている。 He has as many as his father does 彼女には私とほとんど同じぐらいチャンスがある。 She has no less chance than I do. 彼女は君とほとんど同じぐらいの背の高さだ。 She is almost as tall as you. 彼女は母親と同じぐらい美人だ。 She is as beautiful as her mother. What you might be able to say with 同じぐらい could be ... 人間は人形と同じぐらい自由です。違いは誰が誰に扱われているだけです。 Humans are as free as puppets. The difference is who is manipulating who. (lack of mistakes not a given

May 2, 2004, 04:41	#5
Andy3004 Junior Member Join Date: May 2, 2004 Posts: 4	Hmm... on first thought, I'd probably translate: "Humans and puppets are the same. The difference between them is who pulls the strings." as such: 人間は人形と同様わけだ。が、誰によって操られてるという差があるよ。　 Comments & criticism are welcome... ja ne, ^_^/~