5 abductees return to Japan after 24 years

thomas · Oct 15, 2002, 19:21

5 abduction victims return home to emotional welcome

=> http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20021...dm033000c.html

Families, friends eagerly await return of abduction victims

=> http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20021...fp014000c.html

5 abductees make emotional return to Japan after 24 years

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234429

Japanese welcome abductees, rap gov't for poor diplomacy

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234508

moyashi · Oct 16, 2002, 02:11

Can't stop by the links today but ...
TV was flooded all day with news and reports about this according to my wife.

It seems that no information will be released directly from the victims to the news media. I had thought they would've gone through brain washing or what not, but it seems a technique much more simpler is being used .... coercion.

The 5's family and other victims that are still in North Korea are depending on how little the 5 speak of what happened.

The news mentioned that visa's is what is holding up the 5's family from coming to Japan.

hmmm ...

thomas · Oct 16, 2002, 06:23

We also discussed the issue and reached the same conclusion. Home is where your family's waiting for you. Anyhow, I'm sure that Japanese intelligence will be quite busy during the next 2 weeks.

thomas · Oct 16, 2002, 17:43

They're feeding the public with irrelevant details...

Abductees tell of life in North Korea for past 24 years

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234663

Guess we have to wait for the tidbits.

N Korea remains silent over return of abductees

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234639

Abduction victims share good times with families, friends

=> http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20021...fp015001c.html

Below abductee Yasushi Chimura (right)

moyashi · Oct 16, 2002, 23:19

@ tidbits

I just watched a news report and a good 5 minutes was dedicated to what they ate and what thier reactions were.

The report then went on to interview the group leader of the Japan-side family members committee and how happy he was and such.

The wrap up ended with how their will difficulities with the remaing family members and possibly alive abduction victims.

hmmm ... I do hope a mutually agreeable conclusion will be ironed out quickly.

thomas · Oct 17, 2002, 19:44

I hope so too!

It's obvious that their lips are sealed:

Returnees back home in Fukui, Niigata; won't discuss abductions

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234832

The fate of the other abductees also remains in the dark:

Abductees clam up on what happened to other Japanese

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234734

Tragedy · Oct 19, 2002, 06:23

Can somebody please explain something to me? I watch NHK news everynight, but due to my limited Japanese language skills, I can only understand so much.

I have this question:

Why do they have to return to North Korea? I know the abductees have children in NK, but if they didn't, why would they still have to return? Unless I understood the news anchor wrong, I believed he said "The abductees must return to NK after only 2 weeks". Why do they have to go back!??!!? WHy can't they stay in Japan? I guess what I'm really trying to ask is...WHY DON'T THEY HAVE A CHOICE????? I think this is VERY sad. I admit, I do get a bit tearie-eyed when I see the abductees on TV crying with their families in their hometowns.

thomas · Oct 19, 2002, 17:27

Well, we don't know what Japan and NK agreed on so far. I guess the abductees are just at the mercy of secret diplomacy. Besides, 24 years (of silent indoctrination) is a terribly long time.

On a side note: the question is if NK can really be trusted. They just admitted to having continued their nuclear program in clandestine after 1994 when they promised to give up their WMD projects. NK is one of the world's largest suppliers of weapons (with Iraq and other so-called "rogue nations" on their list), so I'm wondering if George Bush isn't targetting the wrong rogue.

Statement of his security advisor on why Saddam is still the prime target: "Hussein is in a category by himself as still the only leader to have actually used a weapon of mass destruction against his own people, against his neighbors," Rice said. "and of course he sits in the Middle East in a very volatile region."

A category by himself, aso...

All J-media jumped on the following story, some brains were washed:

Abductee's brother bewildered by his pro-North Korea behavior

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=235163

It's the guy shown in this thread's first post.

moyashi · Oct 20, 2002, 02:27

I didn't catch that bit about returning. If it's true I bet it was the visa thing I picked up half way. Maybe they didn't get permenat visas.
;)

brainwashed and being protective of his family I bet. Besides, 20+ years can't be just put aside like nothing happened. I'm beginning to feel sorry for all these folks.

**** all that any of these folks have to do is go blabbing to relatives who'll go blabbing to the press and good load of **** will go down. Japan is always ready for a good bit of gossip. ****, I bet the North Koreans know this and specifically set the situation such that they could maintain a bit of control and at the same time still hold a winning hand at the bargaining table.

North Korea needs to get into the world community and this is a great first step. They fess up and return abuctees, let the world check their weapons development build trust and then land **** loads of cash from the US and Japan.

I truly hope that North Korea comes into the fold. It's about time that another strong hold folds and moves into the psudo democratic world.

Oct 16, 2002, 02:11	#2
moyashi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 15, 2002 Location: SonyLand Age: 40 Posts: 1,566	Can't stop by the links today but ... TV was flooded all day with news and reports about this according to my wife. It seems that no information will be released directly from the victims to the news media. I had thought they would've gone through brain washing or what not, but it seems a technique much more simpler is being used .... coercion. The 5's family and other victims that are still in North Korea are depending on how little the 5 speak of what happened. The news mentioned that visa's is what is holding up the 5's family from coming to Japan. hmmm ... __________________ crazy gonna crazy

Oct 17, 2002, 19:44	#6
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	Returnees won't discuss abductions I hope so too! It's obvious that their lips are sealed: Returnees back home in Fukui, Niigata; won't discuss abductions => http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234832 The fate of the other abductees also remains in the dark: Abductees clam up on what happened to other Japanese => http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=234734

Oct 19, 2002, 17:27	#8
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	Well, we don't know what Japan and NK agreed on so far. I guess the abductees are just at the mercy of secret diplomacy. Besides, 24 years (of silent indoctrination) is a terribly long time. On a side note: the question is if NK can really be trusted. They just admitted to having continued their nuclear program in clandestine after 1994 when they promised to give up their WMD projects. NK is one of the world's largest suppliers of weapons (with Iraq and other so-called "rogue nations" on their list), so I'm wondering if George Bush isn't targetting the wrong rogue. Statement of his security advisor on why Saddam is still the prime target: "Hussein is in a category by himself as still the only leader to have actually used a weapon of mass destruction against his own people, against his neighbors," Rice said. "and of course he sits in the Middle East in a very volatile region." A category by himself, aso... All J-media jumped on the following story, some brains were washed: Abductee's brother bewildered by his pro-North Korea behavior => http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content...at=1&id=235163 It's the guy shown in this thread's first post. Last edited by thomas; Oct 19, 2002 at 19:26.

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Oct 16, 2002, 06:23	#3
thomas Decommissioned ex-admin Join Date: Mar 14, 2002 Posts: 4,209	We also discussed the issue and reached the same conclusion. Home is where your family's waiting for you. Anyhow, I'm sure that Japanese intelligence will be quite busy during the next 2 weeks.

Oct 16, 2002, 23:19	#5
moyashi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 15, 2002 Location: SonyLand Age: 40 Posts: 1,566	@ tidbits I just watched a news report and a good 5 minutes was dedicated to what they ate and what thier reactions were. The report then went on to interview the group leader of the Japan-side family members committee and how happy he was and such. The wrap up ended with how their will difficulities with the remaing family members and possibly alive abduction victims. hmmm ... I do hope a mutually agreeable conclusion will be ironed out quickly.

Oct 19, 2002, 06:23	#7
Tragedy Shinjuku Star Join Date: Aug 5, 2002 Location: Chiba Posts: 54	Can somebody please explain something to me? I watch NHK news everynight, but due to my limited Japanese language skills, I can only understand so much. I have this question: Why do they have to return to North Korea? I know the abductees have children in NK, but if they didn't, why would they still have to return? Unless I understood the news anchor wrong, I believed he said "The abductees must return to NK after only 2 weeks". Why do they have to go back!??!!? WHy can't they stay in Japan? I guess what I'm really trying to ask is...WHY DON'T THEY HAVE A CHOICE????? I think this is VERY sad. I admit, I do get a bit tearie-eyed when I see the abductees on TV crying with their families in their hometowns.

Oct 20, 2002, 02:27	#9
moyashi Regular Member Join Date: Apr 15, 2002 Location: SonyLand Age: 40 Posts: 1,566	I didn't catch that bit about returning. If it's true I bet it was the visa thing I picked up half way. Maybe they didn't get permenat visas. ;) brainwashed and being protective of his family I bet. Besides, 20+ years can't be just put aside like nothing happened. I'm beginning to feel sorry for all these folks. ** all that any of these folks have to do is go blabbing to relatives who'll go blabbing to the press and good load of will go down. Japan is always ready for a good bit of gossip. , I bet the North Koreans know this and specifically set the situation such that they could maintain a bit of control and at the same time still hold a winning hand at the bargaining table. North Korea needs to get into the world community and this is a great first step. They fess up and return abuctees, let the world check their weapons development build trust and then land ** loads of cash from the US and Japan. I truly hope that North Korea comes into the fold. It's about time that another strong hold folds and moves into the psudo democratic world.