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Kenkaku musei · Jun 3, 2004, 07:57

"Ne" a particle in sentance strcture. and if so when is it used?

and is there anyone fluent in nihongo that would be willing to help me learn. i will continue to ask questions but pronuciation is kinda hard to get over the internet. ya kno!!
:P

thanks with honor-

Kenkaku Musei

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 08:28

Try this page for an explanation of ne. For pronunciations of single kana, try looking under the "standard hiragana" section of this page.

Elizabeth · Jun 3, 2004, 09:09

For anyone that can read a little Japanese, here's an explanation I received a while back on three usages of 'ne.'

彼の返事はとても自然な日常会話です。教科書に出てくるようなお手本のような文ではなくもっと砕けた親しい人が話すような感じです。この「ね」自体にはあまり意味はありません。エリザベスさんに同意を求めてるわけでもないし、エリザベスさんが知っていると思っているわけでもありません。ただ会話を柔らかくしています。ただ「あまり行きません。」と言うより「あまりいきませんね。」といった方が優しい感じがします。日常会話では自然に使われています。

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 09:23

For Kenkaku musei (I'm not sure whether you can read Japanese), this is basically saying that ne can be used: 1)to seek the agreement of the listener, 2)because the speaker thinks that the listener already knows what he is saying, or 3)to soften the effect of the sentence.

Kenkaku musei · Jun 3, 2004, 09:48

sore wa omoshiro yo!!,

did i say thst right?
it/that was interesting!!(in my opinion)

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 09:50

Close. It should have been omoshiroi.

Kenkaku musei · Jun 3, 2004, 09:55

i think i 'm getting it
i ablolutely love languages!!

what is the difference between omoshiro and omoshioi? just curious

Elizabeth · Jun 3, 2004, 10:01

And doumo, not domo.

Omoshiro is the noun form that takes various endings to become a verb or adverb.

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 10:02

Omoshiro is the root of the adjective omoshiroi. It also seems to be the noun form "to be interesting," but I guess that that's either old or it's highly formal written language. Here is what the 大辞林 has for 面白(おもしろ).

Kenkaku musei · Jun 3, 2004, 10:19

ok so omoshiro is the root and +i makes it the verb omoshiroi

new Question... When is the suffix massu used properly and how does it apply itself i n japanese sentance structure

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 10:25

Originally Posted by Kenkaku musei

ok so omoshiro is the root and +i makes it the verb omoshiroi

Omoshiroi is an adjective (形容詞).

Originally Posted by Kenkaku musei

new Question... When is the suffix massu used properly and how does it apply itself i n japanese sentance structure

Masu is a polite suffix that is added to verbs to, guess what? make them polite (or formal). Check out this page for the rules to inflect the verbs. More specific to your question, polite forms are here.

Elizabeth · Jun 3, 2004, 10:28

Actually omoshiroi （面白い） is an adjective. And domo arigatou may be used in song lyrics or poetry when you need a more compressed sound, I'm not really sure. Although some of my Japanese friends are quite fond of the song "Mr. Roboto" by Styx, which is the only place I'm seen it as domo instead of doumo that wasn't an error.

Kenkaku musei · Jun 3, 2004, 11:12

ok .. i see i'm used toreading it in some books with romanji as the spelling ... it's im my book as domo with an accent over the last o stating that it should be held longer. but i ubderstand what you mean

doumo!

is mt name correct?

Kenkaku musei

silent swordsman....

**Glenn** · Jun 3, 2004, 13:03

The order is reversed. It should be 無声の剣客 (むせいのけんかく). Just in case you're wondering, here is the grammar of の.

Kenkaku musei · Jun 4, 2004, 00:19

i thought the subject was first and the verb last or is that just in sentance structure and not in names
p.s i can't read hiragana or katakana yet
i'm learnig though.i'm teaching my self.. so it'll take a while*LOL*
looking for a course at a local college though.
thanks for being patient !!all of you!!!

this place is great.

With honor- Kenkaku Musei

**Glenn** · Jun 4, 2004, 07:01

Try reading the link that I posted. I'll transcribe the hiragana into romaji for you.

Originally Posted by Glenn

...無声の剣客 (むせいのけんかく).

That says musei no kenkaku.

Originally Posted by Glenn

...the grammar of の

That says "the grammar of no."

Kenkaku musei · Jun 4, 2004, 07:35

I actually drew out the hirigana chart today while i was at work. so i cxan practice what it looks like and i can translate hiragana hopefully ^^

hey glen can i add you to my list on msn yahoo and aol?

**Glenn** · Jun 4, 2004, 07:49

Making a chart sounds like a good idea. Also, it would be good to write each one over and over again, so that you get used to seeing them more while practicing how to write them.

You may add me to your contact list, but I'm not on all that often.

Jun 3, 2004, 07:57	#1
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	is? "Ne" a particle in sentance strcture. and if so when is it used? and is there anyone fluent in nihongo that would be willing to help me learn. i will continue to ask questions but pronuciation is kinda hard to get over the internet. ya kno!! :P thanks with honor- Kenkaku Musei

Jun 3, 2004, 08:28	#2
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Try this page for an explanation of ne. For pronunciations of single kana, try looking under the "standard hiragana" section of this page. __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jun 3, 2004, 09:09	#3
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,509	For anyone that can read a little Japanese, here's an explanation I received a while back on three usages of 'ne.' 彼の返事はとても自然な日常会話です。教科書に出てくるようなお手本のような文ではなくもっと砕けた親しい人が話すような感じです。この「ね」自体にはあまり意味はありません。エリザベスさんに同意を求めてるわけでもないし、エリザベスさんが知っていると思っているわけでもありません。ただ会話を柔らかくしています。ただ「あまり行きません。」と言うより「あまりいきませんね。」といった方が優しい感じがします。日常会話では自然に使われています。 __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Jun 3, 2004, 09:48	#5
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	Domo.. sore wa omoshiro yo!!, did i say thst right? it/that was interesting!!(in my opinion)

Jun 3, 2004, 09:55	#7
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	cool i think i 'm getting it i ablolutely love languages!! what is the difference between omoshiro and omoshioi? just curious

Jun 3, 2004, 09:23	#4
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	For Kenkaku musei (I'm not sure whether you can read Japanese), this is basically saying that ne can be used: 1)to seek the agreement of the listener, 2)because the speaker thinks that the listener already knows what he is saying, or 3)to soften the effect of the sentence.

Jun 3, 2004, 09:50	#6
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Close. It should have been omoshiroi.

Jun 3, 2004, 10:01	#8
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,509	And doumo, not domo. Omoshiro is the noun form that takes various endings to become a verb or adverb.

Jun 3, 2004, 10:02	#9
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Omoshiro is the root of the adjective omoshiroi. It also seems to be the noun form "to be interesting," but I guess that that's either old or it's highly formal written language. Here is what the 大辞林 has for 面白(おもしろ).

Jun 3, 2004, 10:19	#10
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	ok so omoshiro is the root and +i makes it the verb omoshiroi new Question... When is the suffix massu used properly and how does it apply itself i n japanese sentance structure

Jun 3, 2004, 10:25	#11
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Originally Posted by Kenkaku musei ok so omoshiro is the root and +i makes it the verb omoshiroi Omoshiroi is an adjective (形容詞). Originally Posted by Kenkaku musei new Question... When is the suffix massu used properly and how does it apply itself i n japanese sentance structure Masu is a polite suffix that is added to verbs to, guess what? make them polite (or formal). Check out this page for the rules to inflect the verbs. More specific to your question, polite forms are here.

Jun 3, 2004, 10:28	#12
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,509	Actually omoshiroi （面白い） is an adjective. And domo arigatou may be used in song lyrics or poetry when you need a more compressed sound, I'm not really sure. Although some of my Japanese friends are quite fond of the song "Mr. Roboto" by Styx, which is the only place I'm seen it as domo instead of doumo that wasn't an error.

Jun 3, 2004, 11:12	#13
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	ok .. i see i'm used toreading it in some books with romanji as the spelling ... it's im my book as domo with an accent over the last o stating that it should be held longer. but i ubderstand what you mean doumo! is mt name correct? Kenkaku musei silent swordsman....

Jun 3, 2004, 13:03	#14
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	The order is reversed. It should be 無声の剣客 (むせいのけんかく). Just in case you're wondering, here is the grammar of の.

Jun 4, 2004, 00:19	#15
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	i thought the subject was first and the verb last or is that just in sentance structure and not in names p.s i can't read hiragana or katakana yet i'm learnig though.i'm teaching my self.. so it'll take a whileLOL looking for a course at a local college though. thanks for being patient !!all of you!!! this place is great. With honor- Kenkaku Musei

Jun 4, 2004, 07:01	#16
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Try reading the link that I posted. I'll transcribe the hiragana into romaji for you. Originally Posted by Glenn ...無声の剣客 (むせいのけんかく). That says musei no kenkaku. Originally Posted by Glenn ...the grammar of の That says "the grammar of no." Last edited by Glenn; Jun 4, 2004 at 12:40.

Jun 4, 2004, 07:35	#17
Kenkaku musei The willing one will know Join Date: Jun 3, 2004 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 42	I actually drew out the hirigana chart today while i was at work. so i cxan practice what it looks like and i can translate hiragana hopefully ^^ hey glen can i add you to my list on msn yahoo and aol?

Jun 4, 2004, 07:49	#18
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Making a chart sounds like a good idea. Also, it would be good to write each one over and over again, so that you get used to seeing them more while practicing how to write them. You may add me to your contact list, but I'm not on all that often.

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