Paradox of the Atkins Diet

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If carbohydrates are responsible for obesity and if the Atkins Diet, which drastically reduces carbs and emphasizes protein, is so successful in helping overfat Americans lose fat, my question is, why aren't Chinese and Japanese people, who consume a lot of carbohydrates in the form of rice and noodles, as fat as Americans?

Could it be that the Oriental diets are lower in fat, refined white flour and sugar, and sweets such as cakes, pies, donuts?

Or maybe the Orientals just eat less and burn it off more?
 
One thing I can think of is...trans fats. A lot of American processed foods involve trans fatty acids. Fast food, candy, cookies...anything from the US has these trans fats that are designed for longer shelf life. IMHO, I can care less about portability and convenience, and care more about nutrionality and freshness.
 
Hachiko is right. Plus the fact that a majority of Oriental people (Oriental or Asian? I don't know which is more proper...) do drink tea, which is extremely helpful in keeping weight down. I could be wrong...
 
I think it has to do with total colorie consumption. My cousin is on the atkins diet and he had to cut out so much of the foods he used to eat that he ended up drastically reducing his overall consumption of food. And by cutting out carbs, he was forced to cut out the worst foods -- the fat and sugar-laden foods. So I think the carbohydrate/protein thing is a red herring and it's a clever trick to stop people from eating so damn much.
 
mdchachi said:
I think it has to do with total colorie consumption. My cousin is on the atkins diet and he had to cut out so much of the foods he used to eat that he ended up drastically reducing his overall consumption of food. And by cutting out carbs, he was forced to cut out the worst foods -- the fat and sugar-laden foods. So I think the carbohydrate/protein thing is a red herring and it's a clever trick to stop people from eating so damn much.

That too...true that. :-)
 
Some of it is hereditary as well I'm sure....at least the few Orientals I know living in this country that eat a basically American diet don't experience a sudden change of weight as a result.
 
Well, I think some of it is hereditary too. All Japanese I know that live here and have gone to eating junk food(and plenty of it) haven't experienced any change in weight. I've lost this argument before, though, so...I guess I won't get into it again.
 
You two took the words right outta my mouth, you know that. (As well as my Health instructor's mouth, no less!)
 
ok, i went on this rice and noodle diet.. its rough.. but not as rough as letting the coke products go. also been eating alot of broccoli stir fry with a lil bit of steak. im loving this new diet... i figured i watch enough anime and study enough japanese .. i might as well eat japanese! lol, good for shedding a few pounds as well. well i dont have any japanese food stores around. the only japanese food i can find to fix myself is at walmart... and you can imagine how slim the salection is. i dont want to order japanese food online, of all the credit card scams these days.. so im stuck eating muifun noodles,fancy rice, frozen stir fry and egg rolls..... can anyone gimme some good recipes? OHH AND ONE MORE THING... what is wasabi!?!? i saw wasabi in a tube! i donno what it is! lol.. well some pointers plz....
 
neofusion said:
OHH AND ONE MORE THING... what is wasabi!?!? i saw wasabi in a tube! i donno what it is! lol.. well some pointers plz....

It's Japanese horseradish. That's all that I can tell you; perhaps someone else will be more specific.
 
Golgo_13 said:
If carbohydrates are responsible for obesity
They aren't, specifically.

Golgo_13 said:
and if the Atkins Diet, which drastically reduces carbs and emphasizes protein, is so successful in helping overfat Americans lose fat
It may be.

The most sensible analysis I've seen of the Atkins Diet is that meat registers as more food compared to other foodstuffs when eaten so people naturally eat less as they feel full earlier. Just how healthy the Atkins Diet is is another, and highly contested, point.
 
PaulTB said:
The most sensible analysis I've seen of the Atkins Diet is that meat registers as more food compared to other foodstuffs when eaten so people naturally eat less as they feel full earlier. Just how healthy the Atkins Diet is is another, and highly contested, point.

This is the only part that can't seemed to be explained exactly. Technically, with the Atkins diet it is healthy because no side-effects have came out of it yet.

It's funny that I found a post about it because I'm talking about it in a class that I'm involved in. I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
 
Buddha Smoker said:
This is the only part that can't seemed to be explained exactly. Technically, with the Atkins diet it is healthy because no side-effects have came out of it yet.
Technically the Atkins diet is not known not to be healthy because ...

Buddha Smoker said:
I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
I guess that my explain why you phrased it like you did :D

[EDIT]
Hmm, guess there are one or possibly more after all ...
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - The Atkins Diet
 
PaulTB said:
Technically the Atkins diet is not known not to be healthy because ...


I guess that my explain why you phrased it like you did :D

[EDIT]
Hmm, guess there are one or possibly more after all ...
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - The Atkins Diet

True, I think healthy is a bad choice of words. I think nutritional would be better because the point in the protein and amino acids. I say that technically it is healthy but you are right that it has not be provent to be healthy or unheathy.
 
Would you believe this?

Try this on for size:

Meal 1: 12 donuts, 6 glazed, 6 chocolate, 1 bottle of sprite
Meal 2: McDonalds-Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3: eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, Sprite
Meal 5: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite


Yes, believe it or not, some people eat like this. The scary part? This person isn't fat! Then again, this is also a pro athelete. (I won't tell you who.)
 
yeah... that is so true... lol.. i dont see why everyone is taking advice on how to loose weight from a fat old dead guy!
 
Atkins' widow criticizes obesity report

CNN) -- The widow of Dr. Robert Atkins and the chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council criticized a newspaper report Tuesday that said the low-carb diet guru was obese at the time of his death.

They contend The Wall Street Journal distorted a New York medical examiner's report it used as the source for its information.

Atkins died in April at age 72 after slipping and falling on an icy street and suffering a severe head injury. He remained in a coma until taken off life support.

The Wall Street Journal said that the medical report listed Atkins' weight at the time of his death as 258 pounds. The 6-foot-tall Atkins would have been considered obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

The newspaper also said Atkins had a history of heart disease and heart attacks.

Dr. Stuart Trager of the Atkins Physicians Council and the widow, Veronica Atkins, lambasted the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine -- a group of doctors who oppose the Atkins diet. The Wall Street Journal article said the panel had sent the medical report to the newspaper, and Trager and Veronica Atkins accused the group of illegally obtaining it.

The committee and the newspaper both declined to comment.

Trager said the weight cited in the medical report was added between the time of Atkins' accident and his death. He said Atkins weighed less than 200 pounds at the time he was injured.

"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds," the doctor said in a written statement. "How and why the Journal reported that he was obese remains the only unanswered question in this pathetic situation."

Trager said the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine should have "understood that this was not obesity."

Veronica Atkins said her "husband's medical records have been reviewed by knowledgeable doctors and his medical condition discussed with cardiac specialists."

She said her husband had developed a condition called cardiomyopathy about three years before his death and did suffer a heart attack in April 2002, which he discussed openly in interviews.

In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live" in January 2003, Dr. Atkins said the heart attack may have been related to the cardiomyopathy -- a serious disease of the heart muscle.

He said his condition came from a viral infection, a common cause of cardiomyopathy. The problems were not connected to his diet, he said.

Veronica Atkins called those who gave the medical examiner's report to the newspaper "extremists."

"Let me state emphatically that I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said in a statement.

Her husband's health at the time of his death "is a sad and distracting sideshow, taking time away from an intelligent debate of the known science," she said.

Questions have swirled about how the committee obtained the report on Atkins' death.

Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the chief medical examiner's office in New York, said the records were erroneously sent to Dr. Richard M. Fleming of the Fleming Heart and Health Institute in Omaha, Nebraska.

Borakove said the medical examiner's office is filing a complaint with the state of Nebraska.

She said the records would not be released to anyone else but said they indicate that Atkins died from the head injury.

Fleming has been unavailable for comment.

In CNN.com - Atkins' widow criticizes obesity report - Feb. 23, 2004
 
mad pierrot said:
Try this on for size:

Meal 1: 12 donuts, 6 glazed, 6 chocolate, 1 bottle of sprite
Meal 2: McDonalds-Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3: eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, Sprite
Meal 5: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite


Yes, believe it or not, some people eat like this. The scary part? This person isn't fat! Then again, this is also a pro athelete. (I won't tell you who.)

former pro-boxer Mark Breland, when hewas an amateur, said he usually started his day with four (4) McDonald's Quarter-Pounders and Coke.

The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)
 
Golgo_13 said:
former pro-boxer Mark Breland, when hewas an amateur, said he usually started his day with four (4) McDonald's Quarter-Pounders and Coke.

The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)

I get full after one but my appetite isn't that big either. I would be scared to eat one now..
 
the guy may not have been obese, but i wonder how clogged his arteries are, they must look like a garden hose that's been used to suction mud from the bottom of a lake.
 
ashuri2 said:
the guy may not have been obese, but i wonder how clogged his arteries are, they must look like a garden hose that's been used to suction mud from the bottom of a lake.

That's a good analogy and fits well :D
 
couldnt of said it better myself!!!!!!!!!!!! wow ... im a junior member now! sweet! lol, its nice to talk to some ppl on this forums! i like everyone here!
 
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