mienu deshou

guldo · Jun 30, 2004, 10:06

Hello

I noticed this strange quote out of an anime theme song, and wondered what could it mean... Could you help me?
夢遠き明日のことは誰にも見えぬでしょう。

This mienu sounds quite awkward to me...

お願いします

p.s.: it's 「魔法遣いに大切なこと」

Elizabeth · Jun 30, 2004, 11:40

As far as I'm aware, mienu simply means not visible.
No one can see dreams that are so far distant, into tomorrow.

The main reason I don't work on song translations.

**Glenn** · Jun 30, 2004, 13:54

ぬ is an old way of negating Japanese verbs. If you see it, it will either be in old text, or text trying to give a classical flair, and sometimes it will be ironic or sarcastic. The verb inflections are the same as if you were to negate them with ない, except you put ぬ in its place.

PaulTB · Jun 30, 2004, 16:52

Originally Posted by Glenn

ぬ is an old way of negating Japanese verbs. If you see it, it will either be in old text, or text trying to give a classical flair, and sometimes it will be ironic or sarcastic.

c.f. わがはい ;-)

Wakaranai · Jul 2, 2004, 12:55

Mienu Is in dictionary form right?

PaulTB · Jul 2, 2004, 13:50

Originally Posted by Wakaranai

Mienu Is in dictionary form right?

There is only one verb with a -nu dictionary form and it isn't mienu

**NANGI** · Jul 2, 2004, 18:05

Konnichiwa Mina-san!

"-nu" is one of inflection that means denial. The most well known negative form of verbs is "-nai".

"Miru" means "look".
"Minai" means "don't look".

And there are other form "-nu", "-zu", "-n" and etc...

I use "-hen" frequently in negative.

"Mieru?"
"Miehen..."
This is a Kansai dialect.

NANGI

guldo · Jul 4, 2004, 09:24

Originally Posted by NANGI

And there are other form "-nu", "-zu", "-n" and etc...

So I suppose that things such as とまらん, that I sometimes spot on comics, are negative forms, am I right?
Yappari!

and that thing about kansai dialect.... interesting

**NANGI** · Jul 4, 2004, 10:04

Konnichiwa Guldo-san!

So I suppose that things such as とまらん, that I sometimes spot on comics, are negative forms, am I right?
Yappari!

Yes, とまらん/Tomaran is "-n" form in negative. I use "Tomara-hen" frequently, of course it is Kansai dialect.

And other instance
うごかん/Ugokan (don't work) original form is "うごく/Ugoku".
こん/Kon (don't come) original form is "くる/kuru".

This "-n" form in negative is used in many regions as dialect.

Nangi

**Glenn** · Jul 5, 2004, 04:15

Yeah, I actually prefer the n negative to the nai negative most of the time. I just think that it sounds cooler. I didn't realize that you could do it with kuru, though. I thought that it might be restricted to certain verbs, because I've only heard it with certain verbs. Can you say sin, instead of sinai? I've heard dekin, and if kon is possible, it seems that sin should be, but it seems a bit weird.

**NANGI** · Jul 5, 2004, 19:18

Konnichiwa Glenn-san!

Can you say sin, instead of sinai? I've heard dekin, and if kon is possible, it seems that sin should be, but it seems a bit weird.

I say "Sen", instead of "Sinai". I think Japanese never say "sin".

Suru? / do you play it?
Sen! / I don't it!

But I use "dekin" too.

Dekiru? / Can you play it?
Dekin! / I can't!

I think Kansai dialect of "Sen" is "See-hen".

Sunno?
Seehen!

Dekeru?
Dekehen!

NANGI

**Glenn** · Jul 6, 2004, 01:30

Ah, I had thought that せん was 関西弁, but there is a different version there? Man, all of this dialect stuff can get to be a headache. So where did せん originate, if not 関西? I find it hard to believe that it came from 東京地方, but I guess I could be mistaken.

**NANGI** · Jul 6, 2004, 17:23

Konnichiwa Glenn-san!

Ah, I had thought that せん was 関西弁, but there is a different version there? Man, all of this dialect stuff can get to be a headache. So where did せん originate, if not 関西?

I think "せん" is a slang but not dialect because this word is used in many region. Of course Kansai too!

Usually, Kansai dialect use "-hen" in negative.

こうへん / don't come
食べへん / don't eat
せえへん / Don't play

NANGI

rokken · Jul 6, 2004, 23:04

Nangi-san,
Do you say "こうへん"?
I say "けえへん" or "きいへん".

**NANGI** · Jul 7, 2004, 00:05

Konnichiwa Rokken-san!

Do you say "こうへん"?
I say "けえへん" or "きいへん".

I use "けえへん" too! but I don't say "きいへん". I hear "きいひん" occasionally.

NANGI

Elizabeth · Jul 7, 2004, 00:46

Was ぬ also used as a monetary demonination in Edo times ? I have a manga in which a cost figure is written as 70 ぬ。　（千）両 was the only one I was familar with....

Jun 30, 2004, 10:06	#1
guldo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 21, 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 53	mienu deshou Hello I noticed this strange quote out of an anime theme song, and wondered what could it mean... Could you help me? 夢遠き明日のことは誰にも見えぬでしょう。 This mienu sounds quite awkward to me... お願いします p.s.: it's 「魔法遣いに大切なこと」 __________________ グルド大事な物はいつも形の無い物だけ Powered by Debian Sid on Linux 2.6.10

Jun 30, 2004, 11:40	#2
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,508	As far as I'm aware, mienu simply means not visible. No one can see dreams that are so far distant, into tomorrow. The main reason I don't work on song translations. __________________ たとえ辛くても、永遠に続く苦しみなどないでしょう。

Jun 30, 2004, 13:54	#3
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	ぬ is an old way of negating Japanese verbs. If you see it, it will either be in old text, or text trying to give a classical flair, and sometimes it will be ironic or sarcastic. The verb inflections are the same as if you were to negate them with ない, except you put ぬ in its place. __________________ Avoid Mojibake! -- 文字化けを避ける！ Dictionary at Goo - English-Japanese, Japanese-English, Japanese Language Teach Yourself Japanese and Teach Yourself Japanese Message Board Jim Breen's online dictionary and kanji lookup

Jun 30, 2004, 16:52	#4
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Glenn ぬ is an old way of negating Japanese verbs. If you see it, it will either be in old text, or text trying to give a classical flair, and sometimes it will be ironic or sarcastic. c.f. わがはい ;-)

Jul 2, 2004, 12:55	#5
Wakaranai Regular Member Join Date: Jun 8, 2004 Posts: 74	Mienu Is in dictionary form right? __________________ + = Prohibition I will drink to that. Yes it is a very lame joke

Jul 2, 2004, 13:50	#6
PaulTB Manga Psychic Join Date: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Wakaranai Mienu Is in dictionary form right? There is only one verb with a -nu dictionary form and it isn't mienu

Jul 2, 2004, 18:05	#7
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa Mina-san! "-nu" is one of inflection that means denial. The most well known negative form of verbs is "-nai". "Miru" means "look". "Minai" means "don't look". And there are other form "-nu", "-zu", "-n" and etc... I use "-hen" frequently in negative. "Mieru?" "Miehen..." This is a Kansai dialect. NANGI

Jul 4, 2004, 09:24	#8
guldo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 21, 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 53	Originally Posted by NANGI And there are other form "-nu", "-zu", "-n" and etc... So I suppose that things such as とまらん, that I sometimes spot on comics, are negative forms, am I right? Yappari! and that thing about kansai dialect.... interesting

Jul 4, 2004, 10:04	#9
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa Guldo-san! So I suppose that things such as とまらん, that I sometimes spot on comics, are negative forms, am I right? Yappari! Yes, とまらん/Tomaran is "-n" form in negative. I use "Tomara-hen" frequently, of course it is Kansai dialect. And other instance うごかん/Ugokan (don't work) original form is "うごく/Ugoku". こん/Kon (don't come) original form is "くる/kuru". This "-n" form in negative is used in many regions as dialect. Nangi

Jul 5, 2004, 04:15	#10
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Yeah, I actually prefer the n negative to the nai negative most of the time. I just think that it sounds cooler. I didn't realize that you could do it with kuru, though. I thought that it might be restricted to certain verbs, because I've only heard it with certain verbs. Can you say sin, instead of sinai? I've heard dekin, and if kon is possible, it seems that sin should be, but it seems a bit weird.

Jul 5, 2004, 19:18	#11
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa Glenn-san! Can you say sin, instead of sinai? I've heard dekin, and if kon is possible, it seems that sin should be, but it seems a bit weird. I say "Sen", instead of "Sinai". I think Japanese never say "sin". Suru? / do you play it? Sen! / I don't it! But I use "dekin" too. Dekiru? / Can you play it? Dekin! / I can't! I think Kansai dialect of "Sen" is "See-hen". Sunno? Seehen! Dekeru? Dekehen! NANGI

Jul 6, 2004, 01:30	#12
Glenn 考え中 Join Date: Jan 8, 2004 Posts: 5,544	Ah, I had thought that せん was 関西弁, but there is a different version there? Man, all of this dialect stuff can get to be a headache. So where did せん originate, if not 関西? I find it hard to believe that it came from 東京地方, but I guess I could be mistaken.

Jul 6, 2004, 17:23	#13
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa Glenn-san! Ah, I had thought that せん was 関西弁, but there is a different version there? Man, all of this dialect stuff can get to be a headache. So where did せん originate, if not 関西? I think "せん" is a slang but not dialect because this word is used in many region. Of course Kansai too! Usually, Kansai dialect use "-hen" in negative. こうへん / don't come 食べへん / don't eat せえへん / Don't play NANGI

Jul 6, 2004, 23:04	#14
rokken Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2004 Posts: 49	Nangi-san, Do you say "こうへん"? I say "けえへん" or "きいへん". __________________ Please put my English right hairsplitting! m(_ _)m

Jul 7, 2004, 00:05	#15
NANGI Tutor Join Date: Jan 8, 2003 Location: I live in Kansai. Posts: 2,276	Konnichiwa Rokken-san! Do you say "こうへん"? I say "けえへん" or "きいへん". I use "けえへん" too! but I don't say "きいへん". I hear "きいひん" occasionally. NANGI

Jul 7, 2004, 00:46	#16
Elizabeth Regular Member Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: アメリカ Posts: 8,508	Was ぬ also used as a monetary demonination in Edo times ? I have a manga in which a cost figure is written as 70 ぬ。　（千）両 was the only one I was familar with....

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