Ironic

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 11, 2004, 05:32

Japan is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world. What I find ironic is that we decimated Japan in WW2, so we helped rebuild them. We were one of the most advanced countries back then, but we turned into lazy fat slobs and Japan didn't. They kept going with the stuff we gave them, and now they're doing better than us. Very ironic.

TimF · Jul 11, 2004, 05:37

Very true kudos Japan!

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 11, 2004, 05:42

Yes, many kudos to japan for not becoming fat lazy slobs like Americans and surpassing us! Serves America right.

Mandylion · Jul 12, 2004, 08:42

I'm a bit confused, what do you mean by surpassing? Surpassing the US economically? Politically? Scientifically? Of just by remaining skinny?

kirei_na_me · Jul 12, 2004, 08:50

Originally Posted by Mandylion

I'm a bit confused, what do you mean by surpassing? Surpassing the US economically? Politically? Scientifically? Of just by remaining skinny?

Sorry, I just thought that was funny.

But anyway, I would say that generally, I agree, but I think there is much more depth to this subject.

**Uncle Frank** · Jul 12, 2004, 09:51

the grass is always greener over there(Japan) , until you start eating it!!

Frank

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 14, 2004, 00:59

But they don't eat grass...they eat seaweed!

And Mandylion, by surpassed I mean technology-wise. 'Course, they surpass us in lifespans too cuz they're so frikkin healthy. They got 80 year old dudes on the annual hike up Mt. Fuji for gosh sake's!

Arch · Jul 14, 2004, 02:16

Like the UK, 150 yrs ago we were owned practicaly the world. We won all the wars, 1 and 2 , look at us now ! Japan and Germany have a stronger economy, well thats just bad management from the Brit goverment !

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 14, 2004, 08:27

yes! Bad management!
*slaps Britain management*
U.S. has bad management too!
*slaps U.S. management*

Mandylion · Jul 14, 2004, 08:52

Originally Posted by Vengeful Ronin

by surpassed I mean technology-wise.

Hmmm, I don't know. I think it is about an even draw at this point. I think I can see where you are coming from, but there are some other things to consider.

Sure, Japan has fancy little cellophones with cameras, some robots thrown in here and there and a few computer ideas tossed around. The Shinkansen are dang cool and the eco-friendly cars are a big plus. Yes, there are more, I'm just trying to be brief.

But then again, the Japanese computer industry and software industry is dead (not talking about games here). Where is Japan's answer to Microsoft? What about ADM and Pentium? What about a Japanese OS? Why are all those digital cameras using German optics as sales points?

There is still a huge brain drain going on in Japan when it comes to the sciences and medicine, because US schools and labs are better funded, better stocked, and on the cutting edge of research in their fields. The Japanese pharmacuticals industry has based itself around health drinks for Pete's sake.

Yes Japan has the US beat in some areas of technology, but it is severly lacking in others. Cellphones, video games, robots, toilet seats that wash you are "sexy" bits of technology and they draw a much larger audience. But the US is way, way ahead in the experimental technology and many advanced practical sciences (like the medical industry - any Japanese doctor who wants to be considered up-and-coming will have been to the US to work/study for a number of years) Thats why IMHO, the technological front is a draw.

Lina Inverse · Jul 14, 2004, 10:54

Originally Posted by Mandylion

any Japanese doctor who wants to be considered up-and-coming will have been to the US

I disagree. The Japanese regard Germany as leading country in the field of medicine, so any doctor who wants the best possible education would go to Germany. (The US healthcare system really isn't all that great.)
You can see this even in the anime "Sailor Moon". One of the girls (Mizuno Ami) wants to become a doctor, so in order to get the best possible education she wants to go to Germany. (Later at the airport she reconsiders and decides to stay with the other girls for now and go later.)

Mandylion · Jul 14, 2004, 11:22

Thank you for the info Lina. I was going off personal experience, and Germany had never cropped up when I spoke with doctors about their training / heard through others. I think what they were getting at was the modern facilities in the US and the openness of the system allowing for them to do research and kind of set their own pace. I agree that the US health care system is not great, but the impression I got was that they were not going to study administration, but medicine.

I'll keep your points in mind.

squallleonheart · Jul 14, 2004, 11:47

Germany had went to war with us(the world) back then and they were the most technological country.... it still wouldn't suprise me if they or japan becomes the next to discover something to change the world...

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 15, 2004, 03:18

*nods*
Germany advanced too. And good points Mandylion....but still.

evasuka · Jul 29, 2004, 07:31

well I agree, during the first half of the war, japan was kicking our asses, and built the one of the largest empires ever exist (even though it fell), and they're so much smaller with limited resouces.
germany has been turn about by many wars and made a come back for the next everytime, of course there good
today, america is (figuratively, as I see it) a fat lazy guy in front of the TV with a beer in one hand and a shot gun in the other

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 30, 2004, 09:49

Wow, so you're saying America is a redneck?

I think ya left some stuff outta the picture though. Beer in one hand, remote in the other, shotgun lying next to it, bucket of popcorn in its lap. And yes, it's fat.
I dunno how things are gonna turn out with Japan's defense force, if it will be allowed to become a military again or not. I highly doubt if it did that America would have anything to worry about. Actually I don't think anyone would have to worry, I don't think japan would try to take over world again.

TimF · Jul 30, 2004, 10:30

I hate to disapoint your sterotypes on americans but not all of us are like that i used to live in a community that was nothing but people like that and then i moved to NY and i discoverd that NY is really as they say "The melting pot of the world." There are so many diffrent types of people her to sterotype all of them beacuse of the "white trash" image that the media has potrayed would just be wrong i mean people really ought to think before that do this no just to the US but to any country beacuse that country has some of your fellow countrymen/women i can garentee it and america is no different.

Vengeful Ronin · Jul 31, 2004, 04:30

true, true. that was a stereotype, but I still prefer Japan.

Jul 11, 2004, 05:32	#1
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	Ironic Japan is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world. What I find ironic is that we decimated Japan in WW2, so we helped rebuild them. We were one of the most advanced countries back then, but we turned into lazy fat slobs and Japan didn't. They kept going with the stuff we gave them, and now they're doing better than us. Very ironic.

Jul 12, 2004, 08:42	#4
Mandylion Omnipotence personified Join Date: Mar 15, 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,121	I'm a bit confused, what do you mean by surpassing? Surpassing the US economically? Politically? Scientifically? Of just by remaining skinny? __________________ "It's a dn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." - Andrew Jackson**

Jul 12, 2004, 08:50	#5
kirei_na_me Where I'm Supposed to Be Join Date: Jan 31, 2003 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 3,922	Originally Posted by Mandylion I'm a bit confused, what do you mean by surpassing? Surpassing the US economically? Politically? Scientifically? Of just by remaining skinny? Sorry, I just thought that was funny. But anyway, I would say that generally, I agree, but I think there is much more depth to this subject. __________________ *i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)*

Jul 12, 2004, 09:51	#6
Uncle Frank You SPAM/We BAN ! Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: State of Maine Age: 59 Posts: 6,715	As A Wise Man Once Said.... the grass is always greener over there(Japan) , until you start eating it!! Frank __________________ TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SUGAR !! I USED TO BE FUNNY, BUT MY WIFE HAD ME NEUTERED!

Jul 14, 2004, 08:52	#10
Mandylion Omnipotence personified Join Date: Mar 15, 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,121	Originally Posted by Vengeful Ronin by surpassed I mean technology-wise. Hmmm, I don't know. I think it is about an even draw at this point. I think I can see where you are coming from, but there are some other things to consider. Sure, Japan has fancy little cellophones with cameras, some robots thrown in here and there and a few computer ideas tossed around. The Shinkansen are dang cool and the eco-friendly cars are a big plus. Yes, there are more, I'm just trying to be brief. But then again, the Japanese computer industry and software industry is dead (not talking about games here). Where is Japan's answer to Microsoft? What about ADM and Pentium? What about a Japanese OS? Why are all those digital cameras using German optics as sales points? There is still a huge brain drain going on in Japan when it comes to the sciences and medicine, because US schools and labs are better funded, better stocked, and on the cutting edge of research in their fields. The Japanese pharmacuticals industry has based itself around health drinks for Pete's sake. Yes Japan has the US beat in some areas of technology, but it is severly lacking in others. Cellphones, video games, robots, toilet seats that wash you are "sexy" bits of technology and they draw a much larger audience. But the US is way, way ahead in the experimental technology and many advanced practical sciences (like the medical industry - any Japanese doctor who wants to be considered up-and-coming will have been to the US to work/study for a number of years) Thats why IMHO, the technological front is a draw.

Jul 11, 2004, 05:37	#2
TimF Muffdiver Extraordinaire! Join Date: Jul 2, 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 312	Very true kudos Japan!

Jul 11, 2004, 05:42	#3
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	Yes, many kudos to japan for not becoming fat lazy slobs like Americans and surpassing us! Serves America right.

Jul 14, 2004, 00:59	#7
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	But they don't eat grass...they eat seaweed! And Mandylion, by surpassed I mean technology-wise. 'Course, they surpass us in lifespans too cuz they're so frikkin healthy. They got 80 year old dudes on the annual hike up Mt. Fuji for gosh sake's!

Jul 14, 2004, 02:16	#8
Arch Recall Join Date: Jul 28, 2003 Location: Germany Age: 22 Posts: 447	Like the UK, 150 yrs ago we were owned practicaly the world. We won all the wars, 1 and 2 , look at us now ! Japan and Germany have a stronger economy, well thats just bad management from the Brit goverment !

Jul 14, 2004, 08:27	#9
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	yes! Bad management! slaps Britain management U.S. has bad management too! slaps U.S. management

Jul 14, 2004, 10:54	#11
Lina Inverse Hentai Koutaishi Join Date: Apr 29, 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 1,141	Originally Posted by Mandylion any Japanese doctor who wants to be considered up-and-coming will have been to the US I disagree. The Japanese regard Germany as leading country in the field of medicine, so any doctor who wants the best possible education would go to Germany. (The US healthcare system really isn't all that great.) You can see this even in the anime "Sailor Moon". One of the girls (Mizuno Ami) wants to become a doctor, so in order to get the best possible education she wants to go to Germany. (Later at the airport she reconsiders and decides to stay with the other girls for now and go later.) __________________ Try out the new style!

Jul 14, 2004, 11:22	#12
Mandylion Omnipotence personified Join Date: Mar 15, 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,121	Thank you for the info Lina. I was going off personal experience, and Germany had never cropped up when I spoke with doctors about their training / heard through others. I think what they were getting at was the modern facilities in the US and the openness of the system allowing for them to do research and kind of set their own pace. I agree that the US health care system is not great, but the impression I got was that they were not going to study administration, but medicine. I'll keep your points in mind.

Jul 14, 2004, 11:47	#13
squallleonheart just bring it Join Date: Jul 13, 2004 Location: balamb garden Age: 21 Posts: 86	Germany had went to war with us(the world) back then and they were the most technological country.... it still wouldn't suprise me if they or japan becomes the next to discover something to change the world... __________________ Whenever you search in the wind for that glimpse of your memory... I'll be there....

Jul 15, 2004, 03:18	#14
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	nods Germany advanced too. And good points Mandylion....but still.

Jul 29, 2004, 07:31	#15
evasuka Mechanical Member Join Date: Jan 7, 2004 Location: Born in San Diego, I am Hmong Age: 23 Posts: 134	well I agree, during the first half of the war, japan was kicking our asses, and built the one of the largest empires ever exist (even though it fell), and they're so much smaller with limited resouces. germany has been turn about by many wars and made a come back for the next everytime, of course there good today, america is (figuratively, as I see it) a fat lazy guy in front of the TV with a beer in one hand and a shot gun in the other __________________ "The fate of Destruction is the Joy of Rebirth" (Shin-Seiki Evangelion) "History is much like an Endless Waltz, the three beats of War, Peace, and Revolution go on forever." (Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz)

Jul 30, 2004, 09:49	#16
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	Wow, so you're saying America is a redneck? I think ya left some stuff outta the picture though. Beer in one hand, remote in the other, shotgun lying next to it, bucket of popcorn in its lap. And yes, it's fat. I dunno how things are gonna turn out with Japan's defense force, if it will be allowed to become a military again or not. I highly doubt if it did that America would have anything to worry about. Actually I don't think anyone would have to worry, I don't think japan would try to take over world again.

Jul 30, 2004, 10:30	#17
TimF Muffdiver Extraordinaire! Join Date: Jul 2, 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 312	I hate to disapoint your sterotypes on americans but not all of us are like that i used to live in a community that was nothing but people like that and then i moved to NY and i discoverd that NY is really as they say "The melting pot of the world." There are so many diffrent types of people her to sterotype all of them beacuse of the "white trash" image that the media has potrayed would just be wrong i mean people really ought to think before that do this no just to the US but to any country beacuse that country has some of your fellow countrymen/women i can garentee it and america is no different.

Jul 31, 2004, 04:30	#18
Vengeful Ronin waves Hi! Join Date: Jul 10, 2004 Location: Tennesee, sucky state Age: 22 Posts: 135	true, true. that was a stereotype, but I still prefer Japan.

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