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In case you didn't know what a precedent is:I usually hate using comparisons because in this case the situations are very different but in this case a precedent was made when the US Government paid reparations to Japanese families in compensation for their internment during WWII in the US. President Regan apologized and the government paid $1.2 billion dollars and this was in 1988.
What resposibility the Japanese govenment is to held? Please clarify it.
To what degree the Japanese government of today is to be held responsible, I cannot firmly determine--my general point of view is that today's government is most largely different from the Imperial government of that day.
As I pointed out before, there was a point in time when rape was used as a weapon during war.
War crime? ........ when war itself is a crime?
Long time no see obeika san !! I guess I'd have to apologize to you too...perhaps I'm just kind of sitting here on the fence, enjoying my beer, dango and the pretty little cherry blossoms. Maybe I could determine a position if I were to look into it more and do a lot more research, but, I just don't have the time at the moment.
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Pipokun why do you and other Japanese continually insist on equating and justifying the actions of one against another? I am continually baffled by this line of thinking.
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No, I or other Japanese don't justify it. I say it was just a military brothel. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, I or other Japanese don't justify it. I say it was just a military brothel. Nothing more, nothing less.
No. It is not differnt from confort women.Ok fair enough, just because it was a military brothel, does that make any difference to you regarding the issue of the "Comfort Women"?
No. It is not differnt from confort women.
Tell me why it was the war crime.
Raping women is always a crime, so far we agree.
During the WWII, the US officially praised the Aussie brothel in the Middle East, because it was highly organised. And the US imported women from India in China. There were other sad stories during the WWII, but I've never heard of any appologies.In my opinion the "Comfort Women" issue was a form of institutionalized rape, condoned by the Imperial Army of Japan.
What are the documented cases?I have a 20 year old daughter and I can not even imagine a situation where she would be forced into a situation that these women were faced with, perform or die, or in some actual documented cases, perform and die. I can not right now think of a more delicate way to put it.
Elizabeth, I'm sorry. I understand you and I agree with you.Raping women is always a crime, so far we agree.
It becomes a war crime when it happens during a war and the raping is done by the occupying army. When this happens to a few girls and women, I can call it a very ugly act. But alas, when it happens to thousands of girls and very young women to be raped by the occupied army, I can only call this a dramatic war crime.
Elizabeth, I'm sorry. I understand you and I agree with you.
In occupied Japan many girls were raped by American soldiers.
If you think of your girls, please think of our girls, too.
I think that you should have started this thread, not Obeika.
It is fair.
Do you think that this poll is fair?
There are a few Japanese who come and argue and a few people given neutral informations in this forum.
Elizabeth, I'm sorry. I understand you and I agree with you.
What are the documented cases?
Why Japan doesn't demand apology of napalm bombing and A-bomb bombing from the US?", what sophism will you make?
During the WWII, the US officially praised the Aussie brothel in the Middle East, because it was highly organised. And the US imported women from India in China. There were other sad stories during the WWII, but I've never heard of any appologies.
So you think the US and other countries should applogy what you call the instutionalised rape.
What are the documented cases?
There are a few Japanese who come and argue and a few people given neutral informations in this forum.
All the evidence that was profitable to a defendant was rejected or ignored, just like Tokyo trial.
Do you think that this poll is fair?
Till when do you continue this thread?
And how do you do with a result?
If you are not American, I would think this thread in another way.
If I make a thread "Why Japan doesn't demand apology of napalm bombing and A-bomb bombing from the US?", what sophism will you make?
Elizabeth, I'm sorry. I understand you and I agree with you.
In occupied Japan many girls were raped by American soldiers.
If you think of your girls, please think of our girls, too.
I think that you should have started this thread, not Obeika.
It is fair.
Quote hanachan:
"Why Japan doesn't demand apology of napalm bombing and A-bomb bombing from the US?", what sophism will you make?"
You want to know the "real" reason? Japan lost, plain and simple. Like it or not that is what it comes down to and oh btw that is not a fallacy but a fact.
from the wikipedia article on EisenhowerI voiced to him (Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives.ツ―1945[34]
Obeika speaks of his daughter only 20 years old. He would be a broken man if something like the above would happen to her.
I agree to this opinion.
Therefore I wonder.
Why did not the Korean parents appeal for abduction?
Why do not you do the answer that can understand me about this doubt?
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THe Comfort Women issue was known about at the minimum from the end of WWII. What amazed me was that this issue has it's roots all the way back to the late 1920's, not just during WWII.More than 40 years, why did nobody know Comfort Women?
Why do not you do the answer that can understand me about this doubt?
By the way,It is illegal to judge about a past case by existing law
And I can very well understand that such a matter as Comfort Women is painful. It all happened in the time of your grandparents.
Hiroyuki san, thanks for your comments here, I can not answer why the Korean parents didn't request information about their daughters, I have ideas but can only speculate.
THe Comfort Women issue was known about at the minimum from the end of WWII. What amazed me was that this issue has it's roots all the way back to the late 1920's, not just during WWII.
It is the first time you are asking anyone to "understand you" about the doubt. Does it bother you, even a little that people from all over the world think that this is a fact, and believe the women that gave testimony in regards to this issue?
Why does the government here insist on trying to make it and other issues related to the actions of the Japanese Imperial Army disappear? What benefit is there for children not to know that this happened, when everyone else around the world accepts it as fact?
I never argued otherwise, in fact I agree.
Elizabeth, this is what baffles me the most. I accept the fact that I lost many relatives during WWII, I don't hate the Japanese nor Japan, hell my wife is Japanese. All I am hoping for is that Japan and it's people accept their past history, however culturally embarrassing it may be, there is no need for the current generation to feel guilt, however the current generation, and subsequent ones, need to know this part of Japanese history.
If the Comfort Women issue was strictly Japanese against Japanese I am pretty sure one would be able to read about it in a textbook, same goes for the other "major" incidents that occured during WWII.
In my opinion it is because of a misplaced pride many Japanese have or the thought that their cultural heritage could somehow be blemished that they want this issue to disappear.
Nevertheless I can say that I have met very open and modern thinking Japanese, who do admit that the Japanese Army has commited crimes.
Last but not least, I guess that you and I belong to a culture where we learn at a very young age to think for ourselves. We don't let a group or government tell us what we should think. That makes a big difference.
History is where we learn from; never again an A Bomb, never again a war inside Europe. But we all, still have to learn a lot!!!
The US lost in Vietnam, and they still has not fully acknowledged nor compensated for their crimes. Haha.Obeika said:You want to know the "real" reason? Japan lost, plain and simple. Like it or not that is what it comes down to and oh btw that is not a fallacy but a fact.
How do you explain the US brothels in Vietnam, Okinawa and other parts of Japan to your daughter?
Do you say everything was the war crime as you describe? If not, what is the difference?
The US lost in Vietnam, and they still has not fully acknowledged nor compensated for their crimes. Haha.