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kureru,morau,ageru

Discussion in 'Learning Japanese' started by naark, May 9, 2012.

  1. naark

    naark 先輩
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    can anyone here explain me of how to use those words in tandem with verbs...
    cause in anime i'm hearing morau and kureru in tandem with verbs...
    like mitekureru...
    when i googled it it shows that ageru has the same function as the two...
    so can someone here explain to me of the proper usage of those words when they're added after a verb..
    also when to use it and when not??


    oopps another question..
    is there other verbs that are added to verbs just like those 3??
     
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  2. Toritoribe

    Toritoribe 禁漁期
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    See the thread linked below.
    http://www.jref.com/forum/learning-...rstand-these-two-sentences-~てもらう、~てくれる-46511/


    The verbs attached to the -te form of a verb are called 補助動詞[hojodoushi] "subsidiary verb" in Japanese grammar. There is another category 後項動詞[koukoudoushi] "second compound verb", which is attached to the -masu stem of a verb. Plus, some adjectives also perform the same rolls.

    examples of subsidiary verbs/adjectives
    iru, aru, iku, kuru, shimau, oku, yaru, miru, miseru, hoshii,,,

    examples of second compound verbs/adjectives
    hajimeru, dasu, tsuzukeru, owaru, oeru, yamu, sugiru, au, kakeru, komu, nasaru, kaneru, yasui, nikui, zurai, gatai, gachida,,,,

    Grammatically, these verbs and adjectives can be considered a kind of auxiliary verb, since they lose the original meanings and/or can attach to many verbs relatively freely. Besides these ones, there are so many compound verbs that simply combines two verbs without changing the original meanings, just like yomimachigau(yomu "to read" + machigau "to make a mistake" = "misread"), kakiwasureru(kaku "to write" + wasureru "to forget" = "to forget to write").
     
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  3. naark

    naark 先輩
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    Oct 22, 2011
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    @Toritoribe
    thanks for the reply...
    also i just want to add another question but this one
    has nothing to do of the topic...
    i just want to ask about how to conjugate
    verbs or nouns to form words like these
    iku = ichau, owari/owaru = owachai(non so sure of these one ,just heard it)
    also the proper usage of adding the letter "N" like iin ja nai, fuzaken ja ne zo(this one kinda omitted the ru then added n)...
    thanks
    hope for the explanation of how to properly use those and whats its function....
     
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  4. Toritoribe

    Toritoribe 禁漁期
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    ツ行窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋、[Icchau] is a colloquial form of ツ行窶堙≫?堙??堋オ窶堙懌?堋、[itteshimau]. Similarly, ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋「[owacchai] is the -masu stem of ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋、. I can't think of any other examples than ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋「窶堙懌?堋キ(and its conjugated froms) for ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋「, though. ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋「 is an incomplete word and doesn't make sense by itself.
    ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ソ窶堙。窶堋、 is from ツ終窶堙ュ窶堙ゥ. Nouns never conjugate.


    Those 窶堙ア/窶堙 are from what's called the explanatry 窶堙?
    Noun-related particles - Tae Kim's Japanese grammar guide
     
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  5. naark

    naark 先輩
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    Oct 22, 2011
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    thanks for the reply...
    on the owaru = owachai...
    i reviewed and listened to where i heard it again and it said
    "owachainai" i just thought its just owachai then nai(separate words)
    just like mondai nai they're separate...
    anyways i think its the negative of owachaimasu...
    thank you...
     
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  6. Toritoribe

    Toritoribe 禁漁期
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    No. 終わっちゃいない has nothing to do with 終わっちゃいます. That's a negative of 終わっている. Sorry, there's another possibility for 終わっちゃい. See the difference between the two words.


    終わってしまう
    casual
    original form --> colloquial form
    終わってしまう --> 終わっちゃう

    polite
    終わってしまいます --> 終わっちゃいます

    casual negative
    終わってしまわない --> 終わっちゃわない

    polite negative
    終わってしまいません --> 終わっちゃいません


    終わっている
    casual
    終わっている --> 終わってる

    polite
    終わっています --> 終わってます

    casual negative
    終わっていない --> 終わってない

    polite negative
    終わっていません --> 終わってません

    another casual negative
    終わってはいない --> 終わっちゃいない

    another polite negative
    終わってはいません --> 終わっちゃいません


    Thus, if it's a polite form 終わっちゃいません, it can be a negative of 終わってしまう. (These two 終わっちゃいません, the colloquial form of 終わってしまいません and the colloquial form of 終わってはいません, have different pitch accent, though. Further, 終わっちゃ from 終わっては is often pronounced 終わっちゃあ, like as 終わっちゃあいない and 終わっちゃあいません.)
     
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