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shi on the end of verbs

Discussion in 'Learning Japanese' started by omarf, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. omarf

    omarf 後輩
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    Nov 18, 2008
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    ...ohayo gozai masu :)
    I wanted to ask about adding (shi) on the end of verbs. does it have any meaning or is just like (yo) .. my friend used it saying ( tesuto ga mata arushi ). :souka:
     
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  2. Glenn

    Glenn 一切皆苦
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    Yes, it has meaning; no, it's not just like yo (which also has meaning, by the way). It basically means "and," although when it's in a string (particularly one ending with kara) it can also mean "because." Lots of times it seems to be used like kedo or ga at the end of sentences, except of course that it doesn't mean "but."

    tesuto ga mata aru shi (are you sure that's right? Seems kind of weird to me (not that that always means anything))

    "I've got a test again tomorrow, so/and..." kind of implying "I have to study" or "I have to get going" or something like that.
     
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  3. tada

    tada 窶「テ鞘?堙ュ窶堙≫?堙??堙ゥ
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    From what I learned, it can also be used to list verbs (as well as other parts of speech).

    テストがあるし、宿題もある。
     
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  4. omarf

    omarf 後輩
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    Nov 18, 2008
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    mmm .. I think I understood it somehow :p
    thanks gozai masu
     
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  5. Charles Barkley

    Charles Barkley TNT Basketball Analyst
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    This doesn't sound weird at all. I have no real basis of comparison in terms of how much it was used 5 10 or 20 years ago, but shi is used all the time, especially by young people. Sometimes in almost every other sentence. In this case, think of it as trailing off when explaining something or answering a question.
     
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  6. Aurura

    Aurura Reaching out...
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    Yes, I remember very particular scenes in anime or JDramas where (most likely) a female character was speaking concering a matter, and 'shi' was used at the end of several of her statements made. I've been wondering for quite some time what saying 'shi' that way was for. I didn't know it was for verbs... So 'shi' can be put in the same kind of catagory as 'sa', 'zo', 'yo', 'ka', etc. to further clarify the nature of the statement?

    What I mean is:

    'yo' - can be used to emphasise a point
    'ka' - can be used to mark a question
    'shi' - can be used to express an open-ended thought, perhaps..?

    I'm not saying these things are fact, but I'm asking how precise they are.
    Thank for your help!


    - Aurura
     
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  7. Glenn

    Glenn 一切皆苦
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    I wasn't talking about 窶堋オ. I was thinking that ニ弾ニ湛ニ暖窶堋ェ窶堙懌?堋ス窶堋?窶堙ゥ窶堋オ was strange because for some reason I didn't feel like you would say that about some test you hadn't been talking about already; i.e., it was 窶堋ェ being used along with 窶堙懌?堋ス (and 窶堋オ as well, I guess) that made it feel weird to me at first (up until after I posted) -- felt like it should have been 窶堙? But I thought about it and it seemed perfectly fine after that.
     
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  8. Glenn

    Glenn 一切皆苦
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    Yeah, it can be sort of like "and, you know." It's a lot closer to が, けど, けれど, けれども, のに, etc. than it is any of the ones you listed (except it has an additive meaning ("and"), not a contrastive one ("but/although"), as I said above).

    In terms of construction you just add it to the end of a sentence like any of the ones listed above (not necessarily just verbs).

    A: 先生!
    B: いや、彼は学生だけど。

    彼女は優しいし、きれいだし、頭もいい。

    明日のパーティ行く?俺も行くし・・・ (alright, someone check that one for naturalness)
     
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  9. grapefruit

    grapefruit 先輩
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    Right. 'Shi' often provides supporting evidence or additional elaboration by listing reasons in an inexhaustive manner.
     
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