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how do i say if it's not this year, it will be next year?
今年はなければ、来年です。 ？
dekaさんのPAYPALアカウントを教えていただけませんか ?
(But, you need only his mail address, not his account?)
お受けいただいたイラストのキャンセル、納期の延期、価格の変動等、何か問題が起きた場合にはご 連絡いただけますか？
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate#Etymology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido#...sic_philosophy
What's your attempt?
Last edited by Toritoribe; Sep 29, 2009 at 19:48. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
how do i say if it's not this year, it will be next year?
今年はなければ、来年です。 ？
日本語能力試験 JLPT: N5, N4 & N3
日本漢字検定 Kanken: Lv. 10, 9, 8 & 7
HSK: Lv. 1, 2 & 3
和魂洋才
今年でなければ、来年です。
でなければ works like "if not" in this case.
Thanks greencat
Thanks Toritoribe for the links it is now confirmed that Karate-Do means "The Way Of The Empty Hand", but Aikido means "the Way of harmonious spirit."
Well regarding my attempt at translation, I am sorry i really cant do any kind of written translation as all i know is a little bit of Spoken Japanese which i am learning using Pimsleur Japanese Language Audio Training Series...
watashiwa nihongoga jotzu jarimasen. (Sorry for my poor Romaji)
Domo Arigato Gozimasu Toritoribe San.
P.S. : i hope my requests for the translation is not too much to ask for..
I apologize in advance if this may have been convered already.
だれに頼むうか、さんざん考えたあげく、いつも頼む中田さんにお願することにした。
弟は、勉強しないで怠け続けたあげくに、就職にも失敗してずっとバイト生活をしている。
The problem I am having is understanding the additional "に" in the second sentence. I can understand that the sentences are different in a way that I can't quite put my finger on exactly. If I had to define this additional particle, what would I say? Is it some kind of adverbial form or something else?
Thank you.
thanks!
i have another question about possessive grammar..
for "this ball is mine" the right answer is "sono booru wa boku no desu"
but for "no, that ball is not mine" how do you say it? "iie, sono booru wa boku no dewa arimasen" is this correct?
People like to shorten things and in Japanese we have the freedom to spell phonetically.
あげく
挙（げ）句に
挙（げ）句の果てに
挙句の末に
According to the dictionary I have, 挙句 means the last verse of poetry. Also the word is not a part of academic or formal vocabulary, so people consider prosodic elements or rhythm of conversation over grammatical correctness: it is not used all that often and any of the above can be used interchangeably.
p.s
あげくに could sound stronger than あげく because it is easier to place stress on に than く
I'd like to ask what the phrase "それ ほど でも ない” means.
Thanks in advance to whoever helps me out with this one. : )
Yes, that's correct.
I requested for the translations, as this topic says "Need a word or phrase translated?". I hope i am not posting my request in the wrong forum...
That's an expression that the level/degree of a thing is less than a certain level. Also, it's often used as a modest response.
きれいな部屋ですね。
いえいえ、それほどでもないです。
Your room is so beautiful!
No, no, not really.
What do you mean by "its true meaning"?
Karate-do and Aiki-do mean anything to us because we know what those things are. I mean, "The Way of Empty Hand".... what IS that? lol If I hadn't known that was a form of martial arts, I'd have no idea what that "the true meaning" of that might be.
I'd say it's impossible to come up with "translations" for those two phrases you have mentioned without spelling out what you mean by them. They certainly will not be as neat and catchy as Karate-do and Aiki-do.
啓発された武士の道？
keihatsu sareta bushi no michi
平和を好む武士の道？
heiwa o konomu bushi no michi
They both sound pretty dorky to me.
What is this for anyway?
I guess that you are practising Aikido but the thing is, while it is not the case for every Dojo, Aikido sometimes is associated with Oomoto religion or involves the assumed existence of spiritual power or Ki-thingy. And they use Jargon that are utterly incomprehensible for most of the people who have not learnt the art of Aikido...
Anyway I must emphasise that Aikido strictly is not a religion, just some people(and the founder himself) went that way and added baffling words to the Aikido vocabulary: many important principles of Aikido can be conveyed more efficiently without Aikido vocabulary in fact.
As to these phrases, I believe, translated from Japanese to English once but the process looks like irreversible. Unless I know for which style of Aikido these words are used and have read the books about the particular style, I won't be able to translate these with confidence.
"The Way Of The Enlightened Warriors."
"The Way Of The Peaceful Warriors."
If I am to do some guess-work, the way probably denotes for "道".
Warriors were inserted just to add objects or subjects as these words are too offensive to be use in Aikido: I bet these are nothing to do with original phrase.
Peaceful probably refers to 合気, though the original meaning of 合気 is something like timing.
Enlightened is a weird word to be used but I bet the translator just decided to add a new meaning to the word; or there are Aikido variants like Manseido, so maybe the word "Enlightened" was used for disambiguation purpose.
What does "herodes/hero desu" means?
I appreciate you giving a shot at helping me out with my question. However, I'm still no where near a clear answer to understanding the meaning of "ni" of ageku ni. Unfortunately for me in this particular case it is of great academic importance. I'll continue to seek further explanations from some more sources. Thanks again.
挙句 originally means the last two phrases of 7 and 7 moras in 連歌[れんが]; a kind of Japanese poetry. It's the antonym of 発句[ほっく].
e.g.
佐保川の水を堰き上げて植ゑし田を刈れる初飯はひとりなるべし
発句: 佐保川の/水を堰き上げて/植ゑし田を
挙句: 刈れる初飯は/ひとりなるべし
Since a poem is ended by 挙句, the meaning of the word has historically changed like this.
最後 "the last" -> 結果 "a result" -> 結果として/結局 "as a result/in the end/and then"
挙句/あげく is a noun but also used adverbially. So there's basically no defined difference between あげく and あげくに, as GreenCat-san mentioned. You can say だれに頼むかさんざん考えたあげく（の果て）に、いつも頼む中田さんにお願することにした and 弟は、勉強しないで怠け続けたあげく、就職にも失敗してずっとバイト生活をしている. (あげくに more emphasizes the meaning.)
Meaning of "ni"?
Academic importance?
Um, if it is to do with your research, then you better contact some specialists because most people do not know exactly when and how the word came into use and why.
Especially with particles, it is probably as hard as finding an explanation for why some kids in US suddenly started to use "yo" for gender neutral pronoun.
Here is something that touches the origin of the phrase but in no way academic sadly .
http://gogen-allguide.com/a/ageku.html
http://kuwadong.blog34.fc2.com/blog-entry-328.html
As to the meaning of "ni", I do not know how deep you want to know but, for the knowledge any deeper than standard dictionary definitions, you probably need to get help from some real linguists .
Nevertheless, if what you are after is as simple as below, I think you should get yourself a new dictionary.
に（格助）
４）動作・作用が、どんな状態・状況で行われるか。ということを表す。
暗いうちに起きる
卒業に際して
言なりになる
会わずにかえる
用心に用心を重ねる
言うに言われぬ
挙句 originally was a noun as you probably know and it is something to do with a phase, a part of process of doing something. Thus, if we are allowed to say 朝に, then it is good to be able to say 挙句に too.
However,
色々言った挙句にしっぱいした
色々言った挙句しっぱいした
色々言った後にしっぱいした
色々言った後しっぱいした
all of them work... I have no idea that how it came to be like this but considering how the use of the word is limited, the "ni" is almost redundant and does not serve any purpose at all. Besides people like using contractions so I find nothing particularly unusual with these.
But to think about it, while other factors do count as well, it could sound slightly more intelligent or less masculine with "ni".
Overstepping my bounds.
Last edited by VerbalEssence; Oct 4, 2009 at 22:37.
Thanks to Toritoribesan and GreenCatsan for delving deeper into this perplexing problem. I sincerely appreciate all the time you took to explain and write out examples for. In order to get a firm grasp on the topic to pass 2 級 I had to find someone to explain. I'm pretty sure I have a good idea now on the subject. Thanks for all your hard work!
One or two posts are alright but if too many people start asking for free translation here, it can hide the people who really need help for their language study.
Um, it is not like we are offering free translation service or anything, so if you are after something like that, please make a new thread or use other sites.
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Looks like a clip with an illustration ?
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Dear Ashikaga & GreenCat,
I am glad that you both spent your precious time to try to help me out...
I am sorry that my request was vague and not very clear....
I am an Indian who loves & respects Japanese and Japanese Culture (especially of that period when Japan was not influenced by western culture).
Its not very easy to learn about Japanese and the Japanese Language sitting here in India though i keep trying my best to learn what ever little i can, by watching Japanese TV, movies (infact i just saw 3 Akira kurosawa movies non-stop yesterday ;)) etc ...
I also practice Shotokan Karate-Do and here in india, we just blindly memorize the Japanese terminology used in Martial Arts and we hardly know what they really mean.
But I dont want to be like others..., after reading a few translated books I realized that proper meaning is lost in translation and is interpreted differently by different people.
I was confused as how Karate was earlier meaning Chinese Hand and later the same Pronunciation of Karate meant Empty Hand - wikipedia mentions the change in Kanji Character from Chinese to Empty.
Now the problem is that we are starting a Martial Arts school and want to Name it In Japanese (as Karate-Do is a Japanese Art - it would be unacceptable for us to have it in Hindi or english).
After a lot of discussion and numerous suggested names, we agreed upon finally deciding between 2 names after the Japanese Translation.
As We have been influenced by The Philosophy & teachings of great human beings and martial artists like "Meijin Gichin Funakoshi", "Kancho Hirokazu Kanazawa", "Morihei Ueshiba" , and many others. and for us they have been the most Enlightened and Peaceful Martial Artists we have ever known. For us, Warriors are those who fight for peace - They are the ones who know the art of Fighting without Fighting
We wish to name our school with a Short & Catchy name that means either
1) "The Way Of The Enlightened Warriors" - This means that we follow the path and teachings of the Enlightened Warriors (They are Knowledgeable & Peaceful Warriors who know the true meaning of Martial Arts and what it takes to become an ultimate warrior) .
OR
2) "The Way Of The Peaceful Warriors" - This means that we follow the path and teachings of the Peaceful Warriors (They are Peaceful Warriors who know the true meaning of Martial Arts and what it takes to become an ultimate warrior) .
We love the first option as it is the most appropriate one for our school.
We are grateful to you for trying to help
Thanks
Um, you are making a quite important decision...
I do not know if I can really help because there are numerous styles already and names should be unique, succinct and yet descriptive.
Anyway, there is one thing I must ask. Are you are making a new style?
I mean if your Dojo is a part of ready existing style, I do not think you are encouraged to give your Dojo any creative name.
As to Katate, which I do not really know much about but, its origin is very ambiguous in my opinion because Karate originally was spelled 唐手; It was during the war period or right before when the name was converted into 空手. The origin of Karate-do itself is predominantly Ryukyu Kingdom(Now called Okinawa), of cause , and while there is no great deal of correlation with currently surviving Chinese Martial Arts, I expect people did import things.
My point is that Karate-Do can be said to be a Japanese thing and indeed a lot of things particularly some part of the philosophy associated was ripened by the martial artists who lived in Japan(Maybe not necessarily by of Japanese origin though). Nevertheless, Karate-do is a thing which was developed and tempered by the long line of martial artists who sought the strength, responsibility and virtue of an independent and free thinking person, which means Karate-do belongs to the martial artists who practice it rather than a country or culture.
I believe opinions vary, but well, if you are an martial artist who dedicated yourself for the art, both in physical and philosophical aspects, then unless you would like some Japanese tinge in the name, you do not necessarily have to include Japanese in the name of your style.
It is almost impudent and irreverent of me to be saying this, and some people would strongly oppose, but if there is anything like the spirit of Karate-Do, then it probably resides within the teachings and skills not in the names.
Having these rather silly things said, I will, at least, give it a shot translating the word "enlightenment".
Firstly the direct translation 啓示 啓発 教化 sound too religious and lofty because all of them are to do with leading the others and does not include the humble attitude of searching the path oneself.
So I check out something in the line of seeking-the-way. With key word ”求道” I got the following results(use of the word "Light" for names of organisation in Japanese can imply something religious nowadays, probably better avoided):
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E6%B1%82%E9%81%93
求道
行 ・ 修身 ・ 修養 ・ 修行 ・ 精進
or 究明(きゅうめい)
（事件の）調査 ・ （容疑者の）追及 ・ （真実の）探求 ・ 追求 ・ （疑惑の）解明 ・ 謎解き ・ （真実を）追い求める ・ （問題を）明らかにする ・ （事実を）掘り下げる ・ （真犯人を）つきとめる
For words that could stand for peaceful, I check 茶道 terms:
http://iroha-japan.net/iroha/C01_acc...h/01_sado.html
There are many possible combinations and the names carry important meanings, so you should really consult someone who knows what the important principles for your style. But well, at your request I tried to make up some a name.
敬心究明流
敬心求道流
敬 respect
心 heart of feelings
究明(To reveal, reason, seek, study)
求道(Seeking truth in religious or non-religious fashion dedicatedly)：http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn/...1%90%E3%81%AA/
It just came to me when I was trying to come up with the name, that the reason many of the Martial arts styles tend to use hard Chinese characters for their names is because that way they sound more masculine and strong...and the name I made up above does not really have the friendly hook.
I think it is generally considered more elegant and friendly to use a simple name that you can add figurative or metaphorical meaning. Also, it is probably better to avoid either vigorous or resolute words in names, because in frenzy people do all sorts of things. Something sounds serene, natural and yet beautiful: after all the reasons behind the name can be explained to visitors, right?
In the conclusion, I cannot really help you much at this as the decision is very important one, if you are setting up your own style, then it requires someone who is knowledgeable about the backgrounds of you style.
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For reference, I found the list of major Karate styles on the web.
茶道 流派
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...B5%81%E6%B4%BE
古武術
http://park1.aeonnet.ne.jp/~yari-iai/link_ryuha.htm
Last edited by GreenCat; Oct 4, 2009 at 22:07.
Can anyone translate this for me?
I took a screen since typing kanji was a bit too difficult for me..
xs.to/xs.php?h=xs744&d=09400&f=kanji786.jpg
Thanks
野球中継延長のため[yakyuu-chuukei enchou no tame]
because of continuing the baseball game live
That's (a part of) a message to announce the change of the broadcasting schedule.
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