Need a word or phrase translated?

Discussion in 'Translations' started by Buntaro, Jan 13, 2004.

  1. Buntaro

    Buntaro 運動不足

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    Need a word or phrase translated? Feel free to ask.

    Many bilingual people on this forum would be more than happy to help beginners with questions about Japanese vocabulary. Even grammar questions.

    What word or phrase would anyone like translated into Japanese or English?
     
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  2. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    OK--I have a couple to start on:

    クリスマスにイリノイに言ったときは「日本語の論理」という表題をつけられている本を買って帰りました。ちょっと難しそうですね。でも大体の言葉がわかったので、文法も理解したいと思います。

    西欧の文化と接触して以来ずっと日本の知識人には論理コンプレックスともいうべきものがつきまとっている。 (Since the first contact with W. European culture, Japanese intellectuals have felt obsessed (?) by the idea of a logic complex?)に近いでしょうかね?
    日本人はともすれば論理を踏み外れしやすいらしいからたえず注意を怠ってはならない。(Since Japanese people tend to lose their logical footing quite easily/naturally, care must be taken never to neglect such things.)
    われわれはどれほど論理的であろうとしても決して論理的でありすぎる事はない。(???) (However much we try to be logical, it can never be too much?).
     
  3. Buntaro

    Buntaro 運動不足

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    Hi Elizabeth!

    Wow, that is more than one word or phrase! Also, I am on the road right now. When I get home tomorrow, I will pull out my Kan Ei Jiten and see if I figure out those kanji!

    -Buntaro
     
  4. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    I know, don't feel badly, though, Buntaro, it doesn't have to be only for you... :emoji_smile: I had already tried them out on a couple other people whose English wasn't enough to pull them through and simply figured someone here may be able to fill in the parts I've missed.
     
  5. M10

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    how can I say "so.. if I anwser some wrong words dont be surprised."
    and "can you speak English ?" in Japanese? thanks ^^
     
  6. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    "Saa, machigai ga areba (well, if there are mistakes), odorokanaide/ bikkuri shinaide/ kudasai (don't be suprised).

    "Eigo wo hanashimasuka?" ツ ツ 
     
  7. Glenn

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    好奇心の強いので帰ったのはどこですか。差し出がましいことを言ったらすみません。

    I think that you are very close. "Since having made contact with Western cultures, Japanese intellectuals have been haunted by a 'logic complex.'" How does that sound?

    I would say that you have got this one too. Here is my attempt: "Because Japanese people seem to be apt to fall behind in logic, they must constantly take care not to neglect it." This one was somewhat difficult owing to the hazy referent. I am guessing that the main clause is referring to "logic complex," but I am unsure about that.

    I think you have understood this one correctly as well. Maybe, "no matter how hard we try to be logical, we can never be too logical."

    You seem to be right on with your translations; I just decided to try my hand at them.
     
  8. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    インディアナの北のほうに住んでいます。

    こんにちわ、Glennさん!訳してくれてありがとうございました。

    最後の分の英訳はちょっとあいまいなので気になっているけど。おそらく正確に訳すのはほとんど不可能ですね。
     
  9. Uncle Frank

    Uncle Frank SECURITY-you SPAM/we BAN
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    Great test !!!!

    I ran these phrases through my new Japanese translating program. It came out looking like something the "Mad Hatter" from "Alice In Wonderland" would say. I'd heard these programs didn't work that great and now I know it's true !!

    Frank

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  10. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    The syntax and wording aren't really natural for any of them so it's not too surprising, Frank. There's one mistake I noticed in my part -- should be "daitai no kotoba wa" instead of "ga" but as long as you have the time why not try that through your translator as well? It will no doubt come out clearer. :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
  11. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    And now that I think about it this is more along the lines "however logical we are, it is never enough." Nihonjin ni totte mo rikaishinikui hon kamoshiremasen ne.
     
  12. M10

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    domo arigatou Elizabeth :emoji_smile:
     
  13. Glenn

    Glenn 一切皆苦

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    I think that you are right. That seems to make more sense, and flows better too. I guess the としても was the part that really threw us in that one (does it mean supposing, or trying to do?). :emoji_smile:
     
  14. Hey, would 'I am number one' be translated as 'Boku wa Ichiban desu'?
     
  15. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    As far as I'm aware anyway the literal rendering of あろうとして is trying without success, which would of course break the meaning down to the point of absurdity here. Perhaps the phrase is intended more as a literary device or somehow idiomatically. At any rate I'm pretty sure he's referring to Japanese perceptions of themselves as "however logical" (we make think we are being) in the everyday sense, not within the context of systematic logic as it is usually thought of in the west. Which may flow better but still gives my translation a slightly odd ring, how can you be both logical to the fullest extent possible and it still isn't enough ?
     
  16. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    Yes, I guess our first instincts were closer all along. It does apparently only refer to trying without success when used with "ga" -- Denwa wo shiou to shimashita ga.....(I tried calling but couldn't get through).
     
  17. Buntaro

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    Hey Elizabeth (or anyone else)

    How do you say "Check out that cute looking girl." in Japanese?
     
  18. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    そのかわいい女の子を見て見ろ(よ) (?) I've seen it around, but we should probably call in the experts for this one. To check out in the sense of go find some girls I think you can use 物色 (look for, select) and if all else fails there's always the old standby 女の子をチェックする. :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
  19. Golgo_13

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    Instead of "sono", I would say "ano" -- implying greater distance than "sono"

    Sensei G-13
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  20. Buntaro

    Buntaro 運動不足

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    Elizabeth Sensei! Golgo Sensei!

    Thanks for the help with "check her out."

    How about "check it out," as in "Let's go check out that cool-looking restaurant"?

    Yoroshiku onegai itashima~~~su!

    -Buntaro
     
  21. Buntaro

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    Hi Kuro_Tsubasa69!

    Yes, your translation of 'I am number one' is correct at 'Boku wa Ichiban desu', although you need to be aware that there are words more plote than "Boku". Some people would be offended by that word.

    ALso, you could expand your sentence. Number one at what?

    -BUntaro
     
  22. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth 先輩

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    I suppose the verbs would be いってみようよ for let's check out or just いってみろ(よ)again for check out. But how then to say cool-looking restaurant ???
     
  23. @ Buntaru: Number one at everything! *niko niko* :emoji_wink: But, I realize 'Boku' isn't all to polite....I just got into a really bad habit of using that first subject pronoun. ^_^;;;; To be more polite, it should be watashi, correct? (And thanks for verifying that my sentence was correct! :emoji_smile:.)
     
  24. Buntaro

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    "Number one at everything"? Let's see... I would just say, "I can do anything!"

    "Watashi wa, nan demo dekimasu yo!"

    Yes, Watashi is more polite. And, if you want to be really, really, really polite, you could say Watakushi. (Accent the second syllable.) But that is really too polite....
     
  25. Buntaro

    Buntaro 運動不足

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    "cool-looking restaurant"?

    kakkui resutoran?

    shibui restoran?

    suteki na restoran?

    o share no restoran?
     

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