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The position of "recently" or "lately"

Discussion in '英語勉強フォーラム - Learning English' started by hirashin, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. hirashin

    hirashin 先輩

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    Dear native English speakers,
    Which would be used? I believe (a) would be common.
    (a) I have seen the movie recently/lately.
    (b) Recently/lately, I have seen the movie.
    (c) I have recently/lately seen the movie.

    I believe British people usually use the word "film" instead of "movie".
    Do American people ever use "film" instead of "movie"?

    Thanks in advance.
    Hirashin
     
  2. OoTmaster

    OoTmaster 先輩

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    I would say I would prefer recently over lately in these sentences. Lately can sound like "in recent days" where the context for the sentence seems to imply one viewing. I would replace any occurrence of "the movie" with "that movie". Also I feel that "saw" instead of "have seen" sounds more natural in these sentences.

    Yes we sometimes use "film" normally only when we talk about a "film festival" or a "film maker" etc. If you said film instead of movie though people would know what you mean.
     
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  3. hirashin

    hirashin 先輩

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    Thanks for the help, OoTmaster.
     
  4. nahadef

    nahadef Racial orthogologiser

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    I also think recently is more common.

    Generally, with a movie, you'd use the simple past rather then the present perfect though, unless someone was challenging you.
    i.e..
    A: You have to see this movie!
    B: I've already seen it!

    Film is used in American English more as an adjective or a verb.
    He's a film buff.
    The movie is currently filming.
     
  5. johnnyG

    johnnyG 先輩

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    Recently has a wider, more general meaning; lately is used for repetitive events (continuous?) in the near past, so this sounds fine:
    • I have seen a lot of movies lately.

    Lately can also be used in the negative about a single event, or in questions:
    • I haven't seen a movie lately.
    • Have you been to the movies lately?

    ********

    I'm american, but have had a long interest in cinema studies (film studies). I even used the 10-part AFI series in seminars for a number of years along with the companion text and handbook.
    American Cinema (TV Series 1995– ) - IMDb
    Amazon.com: Study Guide for American Cinema (9780070576056): E. Sikov: Books
    Amazon.com: American Cinema/American Culture (9780073386157): John Belton: Books

    He's a clip out of part two, The Star:


    Look around, most of them are on youtube, about an hour each. Here's the whole thing on film noir:


    Point: for me, film and movie are interchangeable.
     
  6. hirashin

    hirashin 先輩

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    Thanks for the help, nahadef and johnnyG.
    So you mean these would be more common?
    (d) I saw the movie recently.
    (e) Recently, I saw the movie.
    (f) I saw the movie recently.

    Sorry, johnnyG, but I don't get it. You mean you have been teaching about movies?
     
  7. johnnyG

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    Yes, recently is far more frequent than lately. It is less restrictive in what it means (how it can be used). So it's more commonly used.
     
  8. johnnyG

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    Yes, about 1997-2007 I taught two different zemi connected to film--one was Disney, the second as above. After that, about half my classes became pharmacy-related, and I gave up the zemi (and film-connected sotsu-ken supervision, too).
     
  9. nahadef

    nahadef Racial orthogologiser

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    Yeah. The present perfect has a meaning of expectation, so with the bus or lunch, we expect the bus to come and to eat lunch.

    With movies or music, it's not so much expected. I might use it with a friend, when we both love the director/actor/character, and we know we're going to see it. Even then, simple past works fine.
     
  10. hirashin

    hirashin 先輩

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    Thanks for your personal information, johnnyG. I didn't know you are teaching in college.Do your students study hard?
    Thanks for the useful information, nahadef.

    In which case would you prefer to use "lately" rather than "recently"?
     

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