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Which type of education will give me biggest chance to get work

Discussion in 'Working in Japan' started by Jerry501, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Jerry501

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    Hello to everyone,

    I found a similar thread, but that won't give me answers so I want to ask differently.

    I want to move and live in Japan (as like everyone here), but I want to prepare as much as possible to make my chance to realize it higher. I am from non-enghlish country so first I want to get TOEFL certification, then JLPT at least N2, after that I will move to language school in Japan for 3months, meanwhile I will be looking for job. I am telling you this to know your opinion.

    Now to reason I started this thread, I also want to go to collage and get at least 4 year bachelor degree and I want to study field which gives me bigger chance to get work, I red this 14 Jobs in Japan for Foreigners - Japan Talk , and I like and have opportunity to study engineering and economics, but which one is better. As you now probably know I don't want work as a English teacher. In time I will moving to realize my dream I will already have at least 5 years of work experience.

    A lot of information is not related to topic, but I want to make you a hole picture. I hope you will help me and give me some advice and I will be grateful from any of them.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Glenski

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    Choose a job/career that actually interests you, not one that will simply get you hired here.

    Bigger question: why do you feel you want to come here to live?
     
  4. Jerry501

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    It's a very good question.
    I have many reasons why I want live there, first it's my interest about Japan, culture, natural, history, religion. I know more about Japan than about my own country, because what I know about my country I learned in school (because I must), but what I know about Japan, I have learned by my self because I wanted. Then there is insurance and health care + education system and low criminality, that is for future, I wanted to my future children will get the best education and will live in country where if something happened they don't have to worry go to the hospital. Another reason are women, not the most important, but still essential. Then I would like to live in a one of the most advance countries in the world and still very traditional, it's awesome the connection between future and the past. I also like Japanese architecture and the way they are doing everything. And of course the anime and manga :)
    But I am realist, I know there are tons of things I will not like and there will be a lots of things against me and it won't be easy, but still the positives outweigh the negatives.
    It's not a idea which just cross my mind, I am thinking about it around two years now.
    But thanks for question, it was nice to recapitulate reasons why I wanted.;)
     
  5. Glenski

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    Having taught in Japan for almost 20 years, I have to wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that Japan's educational system was so good.

    What perceptions and experiences do you have with them?

    Have you ever actually been here, and in what capacity?
     
  6. Mike Cash

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    It's all about the Japanese porn, cartoons, and comic books. People add all that other stuff to their lists as camouflage.
     
  7. Jerry501

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    It is easy, because Japan is the fourth smartest country in the world and is the ninth among the countries with the best educational system.
     
  8. Jerry501

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    [QUOTE="What perceptions and experiences do you have with them?
    Have you ever actually been here, and in what capacity?[/QUOTE]

    Ok, in this case it wasn't directly in Japan, but when I spend 1year in Seattle, where is pretty big community of people from japan, I was dating with girl which came to US from Japan for 6 months. I know that's not much, but I loved spending time with her and her friends.
    No I never been there, but in the next 5 years I will make at least 3 trips to Japan. I am not a idiot, I want to first see the country and then make final decision, but I can start preparing now, because Japanese I can use for my hobby and vacation in Japan, money which I am saving for Japan I can use here in my country and getting collage degree will also help me in my country. If after some time spent in Japan I come to the conclusion that this is not the place where I want to live, it's ok and time I will spend preparation will not be useless.
     
  9. Jerry501

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    Yes I like anime and manga, but I have started with that year and half ago. First that was martial arts, then history, religion, architecture, food and after then was anime and manga. With martial arts I started 10 years ago.
     
  10. Glenski

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    Source? Keep in mind that stats can be deceiving, and that I've not only taught in HS and university here, but that I have a child who has gone through elementary and junior high.

    Thanks. So, your sum total of real, actual experience with Japan other than movies, manga, and books/Internet has been dating a girl. Turn it around. Is that going to give someone else a fair appraisal of YOUR country if you were to have visited theirs for 6 months and dated them?

    I lived in Seattle for seven years, and didn't really see that much of a Japanese community outside of the Asian area where Kinokuniya and a few markets & restaurants were.

    Nobody is calling you an idiot. We do get some overly anxious and overly enthusiastic people who want to leap into things without sufficient preparation, though, so that has influenced some of my questions. Good idea to make trips here first. Have you also considered working here temporarily (teaching English is easiest) or getting an internship or studying here? Those would all last longer than a tourist visit and give you more experience closer to what you would need.
     
  11. Jerry501

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    I didn't mean that I know Japan throw short time dating in different country, it was answer for question, if I ever met japanese girl. I understand that in japan it will much different because they will act difrently, in US they have much bigger freedom of behavior, not to be so strict or polite.
     
  12. Jerry501

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    yes I did, but problem with teaching is, that in Japan, they want native english speakers or if you not, you need to have several years of experience in english teaching and because there are so many native speakers it is a very little chance to get there as on of them.
    Studying, I would like but it is very expensive, to understand I will come to Japan with like 10 000 dollars, this moeny I will saving for 5 years. In my country is average salary 26 000 crowns, that is 1100 dollars or 123000 JPY per months, I making 20 000 crowns and I work around 65 hours per week.
    To save so much, I have to put aside every month 5000 crowns, that's 1/4 of my month salary.
    I want that money use for living, that's mean I will be able to pay everything even I will not have work.
    But if you know about some reasonable studying, language perhaps, I will be very grateful.
     
  13. Glenski

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    I'm not impressed with IQ tests, so I will ignore your first link.
    Second link deals with "best countries", not singling out education, plus it's compiled by US News and World Report, not what I'd call a group that justifies such a survey, and I don't know if the criteria are shown for how they rate things.
    The Independent article doesn't say what countries they surveyed. Their intro paragraph says they rated countries on "primary education" which to me is elementary school only. Their description of Japan is as follows:
    Japan is one of the top performing countries for literacy, science, and maths in the OECD group. Students go through six years of elementary school, three years of junior high school, and three years of high school before deciding whether they want to go to university. High school is not compulsory but enrolment is close to 98%.
    Big deal. None of that says what "top performing" means. Besides, even if graduating HS students are highly literate, they don't read much. Their ability to do math is also wasted if you know how badly they can do application drills (which my HS math teachers here told me were some of the worst results).
    In your last link, read what it says under "overall": "Our Index, which uses global data sets such as PISA, TIMSS and PIRLS together with individual country data such as literacy and graduation rates, is one interpretation of where school systems are working well". Graduation rates are meaningless. At my old HS one year they refused to fail 3-4 students at graduation time, just because they didn't want to lose face, not because the kids academically deserved to pass. Grading here is on a quota system (schools dictate how many kids get As, Bs, Cs, Ds, and Fs, not what the actual numerical grades show, and it's crap like that which enters into the country's statistical database and fools people).

    Do you know how kids learn English here? Rote memorization. Sorry, not learn, study. Yes, after decades of research here and elsewhere (including neighboring Asian countries) have shown that it is one of the worst ways to teach a language, they still do it, and their bottom of the pile TOEIC scores confirm it.

    Essentially true and unfortunate for you. Look at teaching your home language for Berlitz, and see what they want. See what the JET Programme has for prior ALTs from your country (learn enough Japanese and English, and you can apply for CIR positions, not ALT).

    Yes, it's not cheap, and I'm afraid I don't know anything about reasonable schools here. Don't give up looking, though. Plenty of info available, just start with ads in the online Japan Times.
     
  14. mdchachi

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    You're in the EU, right? Perhaps you could move or study in Germany in a city with some Japanese population to get some additional exposure to the people, culture and language. (And maybe another girlfriend.)
     
  15. Jerry501

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    You brought me to an interesting idea, I can get my college degree then, move to Canada (have part of the family and in the US) there make much more money then in my country, and met some Japanese people, in the city like Vancouver live around 40k Japanese people. The problem with EU is that you can use English in the UK but in rest, you need German or French. And to Canada is so big problem to get, many my friends did it. I think that it won't be bad have the resume where would be that I already work in foreign country. Thank you.
     
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    What makes you think that experience would be anything even remotely like Japan?
     
  18. Mike Cash

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    The presence of Asian women and availability of Japanese cartoons and comic books.
     
  19. Jerry501

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    Okay, stop.
    I want go to Canada, because I have relatives which live in that are and because there I will be able make much more money and because it will help me to find out if I am able live in foreign country, the fact that there live some people from Japan is just a bonus and they can give me more accurate information about Japan than the internet and maybe I will be able to study Japanese with teacher from Japan, that's all, don't look for anything deeper. Thanks to money I will be able to make there, I will hopefully be able to go to the school in Japan at least for one year and make more experience than in a few months of vacation. After that I can decide if I will stay or not. Okay, I am not telling you that living in Canada, where live few people Japanese people, will be like living in Japan.
     
  20. johnnyG

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    @Jerry501@Jerry501

    You need to ignore a lot of the above "advice" and comment, and follow your heart.

    I once pulled a phone number off a kiosk at my uni in the states, and after talking to someone, it led to a year in Beijing. I rode a Greyhound bus from the midwest to San Francisco, and caught a plane to China. Not even a contract in hand! (times were different then)

    Thankfully, there was no internet at the time, or I could have gotten all kinds of conflicting opinions about how this was (or was not) a good idea.

    If you like it, then engineering would be my suggestion (over economics)--that kind of degree will give you choices and options most anywhere.

    Good luck in Canada!
     
  21. Jerry501

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    Thank you very much,
    This you wrote is the same thing that my friend told me. He lives in Seattle and also want to move to Japan, we try to motivate each other.
    You're right, make plan and just follow it, it will be hard, maybe it will end by total fiasco, but it can end by success. I will try prepare as much as possible, but I agree with previously comments, it's stupidity make decision without proper info.
    I thank to you all, you help to make more reasonable plan, you make me doubt, but now I'm even more committed to meeting my plan.
    And more importantly you give me answer for my question.
    Thank you
     
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